new concepts

[GeorgeF.]

Terry,
You seem to be missing a few parts on your plane.  As I clearly stated I 
did say FULL RADIO.  I see no mention of a transmitter, receiver and 
battery pack.  Lets see since most of the TOP guys (remember its the TOP 
guys a new commer is going to look at) you just added about another $1000 
to your number.  What do you know, that brings you up to $3440.  Ops I see 
you for got those expensive Hyde motor mounts, what another $150?

Granted, you may not use the Hyde mount, you may not use a Futaba 9ZAPs 
however you're not the one the new commer is looking at when he attends his 
first contest.  He's going to be looking at the equipment of the top dogs....

Thanks Terry, your numbers pretty much proved what I was saying.....

George


At 10:50 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>George, I sure don't know where you are getting your numbers.
>I just finished a Synergy, now has 4 flights and I am heading to a
>contest this weekend with it.
>
>Kit, very well prepared $1150
>YS 1.40L with header and carbon fiber pipe $750
>4 Digital servos $400
>1 standard servo $40
>Cost of "Concept" paint to finish $50
>Cost of 3 rolls of Monokote $50
>
>Grand total $2440. And for that I do have a top of the line competetive
>set up.
>Yes, I did all the work myself, so if you want someone else to build it
>for you, you can add another $1500-$2000, but that will not get you a
>"better" plane.
>
>For the past 2 years I have been flying a pair of Elans with YS 120NCs. I
>don't think I have over $3000 in the pair, let alone $4000 in one!
>
>Terry T.
>
>On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:05:27 -0400 "GeorgeF." <av8tor at flash.net> writes:
> > At 02:00 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >The only way you could effectively lower the cost is by going to a
> > one
> > >design concept and engine size.  Then we would all be flying
> > >Q-400's.   Then the advances in technologies would slow down or
> > just go
> > >away.  I dont like paying and paying so I have become an I.S.
> > (Indentured
> > >Servant) to be able to afford it. I love the hobby so I find ways.
> > >
> > >Wayne
> >
> >
> > The majority of your hobbyist aren't going to be "indentured
> > servants",
> > they'll simply fly 40 or 60 sized sport planes or call it quits.
> >
> > In the early 1990's the hot pattern plane setup (including full
> > radio
> > setup) would cost about $2500.00 and the average family income of
> > the
> > typical high end hobbyist was about $40,000/year.   The top fliers
> > only had
> > to invest an average of 6.25% of their annual income in order to
> > have the
> > top plane.
> >
> > Today the hot pattern plane setup (including full radio setup) will
> > cost
> > about $4000.00 and the average family income for the typical
> > high-end
> > hobbyist is about $55,000/year.  Today in order to have the top
> > setup it
> > will mean that you would have to invest 8.00% of your annual income.
> >   With
> > other hobbies and expenses we have today that didn’t exist in the
> > 1990’s
> > (i.e.: cellphone bills, Internet bills, computers) the average
> > hobbyist
> > doesn’t have 8.00% of his income to invest in the model aircraft
> > hobby.
> >
> > Now you’re going to see some responses to the above statements say
> > “You
> > don’t need the best airplane in order to compete, you can compete
> > with a
> > lessor airplane”.   This statement might be true however that is NOT
> > how
> > our hobby is perceived to be.   In general people don’t compete
> > strictly
> > for fun, people compete in order to have pride in themselves and to
> > win,
> > its human nature and in order to do that its perceived that you need
> > to
> > have equipment which is as good as the top fliers.
> >
> > Lets face it, the people within the demographics who can afford
> > and/or
> > interested in pattern are shrinking. Here’s my suggest.  However
> > before
> > giving my suggest I already know that 90% of you will think I’m full
> > of
> > crap but so be it.   Set a cap on the price of a plane which you can
> > use in
> > competition.   Lets say a top value of $3500.00, or pick a number.
> > That
> > would allow nearly every sport fliers plane to qualify even larger
> > planes
> > with larger engines, that takes care of the new guy not having a
> > plane.   It would also put the top guys on a more even footing with
> > the
> > newer guy.
> >
> > After all most of you people on here say it doesn’t take a high
> > dollar
> > plane and top equipment in order to win.  Let put your money where
> > you
> > mouth is and prove it


> >
> > George
> >

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