fixed gear vs. retracts

[Keith Hoard]

    I think if I tried to do a full stall landing the the 727, I would
probably get fired. . . .  However, I have managed to do a couple of those
fancy-schmancy "upwind wheel touches first" crosswind landings that I've
read about.


Keith L. Hoard
Cordova, TN
khoard at midsouth.rr.com

A man in Arkansas spent 19 years in a coma before he finally regained
consciousness.... The only other person from Arkansas that didn't know what
was happening for 19 years was, of course, Hillary Clinton.
 - Jay Leno


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john" <rcpilotjohn at wideopenwest.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: Re: fixed gear vs. retracts


> You need to practice those full stall landings... hehehe  I never saw an
> ATP do that with a jumbo jet... those are all controlled crashes with
> lots of braking once they hit the ground.  Somewhat reinforced gear on
> them big birds!
>
> I would modify the advice George gave - go to the airport and spend the
> $ for a short lesson from a qualified CFI, talk to him (her) ahead of
> time and let him explain and demonstrate the mechanics of a good
> landing.
>
> I was pursuing a private license years ago and actually got through the
> solo sequence twice, 13 years apart... wife decided a house was a more
> necessary way to spend money than a pilot's license the first time, and
> I went back to school and had no time to continue the second time. But I
> would never have quit the second time if my instructor had not dorked up
> her knee as one of the Luvabulls and then got fired for participating in
> a dangerous outside activity. I would have found a way to make time to
> sit next to her for an hour a week! Love them small planes they used as
> trainers!
>
> Let's see, I think it has been about 8 years since that second try,
> almost time to think about another shot.  Maybe.  But that experience
> did help me a little, I do try to stall the plane an inch off the
> ground, hold it off till it stops flying, etc.  Gear tends to survive,
> but the plane takes a beating running out of runway and into the weeds!
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:58 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Re: fixed gear vs. retracts
>
> Wow, I have an Airline Transport Pilot licence and I still dork my
> planes in
> and rip the gear out sometimes. . . .
>
>
> Keith L. Hoard
> Cordova, TN
> khoard at midsouth.rr.com
>
> A man in Arkansas spent 19 years in a coma before he finally regained
> consciousness.... The only other person from Arkansas that didn't know
> what
> was happening for 19 years was, of course, Hillary Clinton.
>  - Jay Leno
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "GeorgeF." <av8tor at flash.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: fixed gear vs. retracts
>
>
> > At 11:01 AM 7/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >With all of the variables that can affect the outcome of a landing
> > >(deadsticks, other airplanes, strange topography, unusual wind gusts,
> > >etc.) *I* have never heard of anyone who DID *NOT* "break" landing
> gear
> > >(or parts) sometime in their career.
> > >The record you quote, George, is ENVIABLE!!!  20 years without ever
> > >breaking landing gear stuff....I think we need a "Landing How To"
> article
> > >from you for the K-Factor!!!  (As I'm fortunate to make it through a
> days'
> > >flying without some sort of off side/ends/surface landings which
> > >potentially hurt things - Then there's those horse hoofprints off the
> end
> > >of the runway...)
> >
> > Well I've also had my Private Pilots license for as many years and
> that is
> > one great way to learn the physics behind who to make good landings.
> That
> > includes deadsticks, other airplanes, strange topography, unusual wind
> > gusts.  Once suggestion is that if you know someone with a Pilots
> license
> > give him a few bucks (ok $60/hour if the plane is rented) and go with
> him
> > and do an hours worth of Touch AndGoes.  You'll be amazed at what
> you'll
> > learn!  After all in a real plane bad landings, bent gear, and in most
> > cases bounces are not acceptable......
> >
> > The most common mistakes I see is people landing too fast!  An
> aircraft
> > which is not stalled when landing isn't landing but CRASHING!  All
> good
> > landings start with good approaches.  Start by making long
> > approaches.  This will give you a chance to SLOW down the airplane and
> > evaluate the wind conditions.  If at all possible learn what's called
> the
> > Wing Low method to compensate for crosswinds as opposed to Crabbing.
> Most
> > modelers will crab right down to the ground, that will result in an
> instant
> > BAD landing as you're landing gear are going a different direction
> then
> > what the airplane is flying resulting in a massive side load.  That's
> a
> > large reason you see people "bouncing" (both model and fullscale)
> during
> > crosswinds.
> >
> > With the wing low methods the landing gear are going the same
> direction as
> > the plane.  To land using this method you use aileron to hold the
> upwind
> > wing low.  To correct for the tendency of the plane to turn that same
> > direction you would use just enough opposite rudder to keep the plane
> > aligned with the runway center line.  If done correctly you'll have
> the
> > upwind main landing gear hit the ground first, followed by the
> downwind
> > main gear, and finally the nose gear if you're flying a trike.
> >
> > George
> > http://www.MilAirComms.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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