Judging behavior

[Henderson,Eric]

The problem with being human is that we are most vulnerable immediately after a performance, just ask any actor!

Technically there is no rule on verbal feedback that I remember in the sporting code. (You already have the written feedback in "numbers").  Similarly you really should not badger a judge immediately after a flight or even later. At the Nat's we use numbers instead of id's to prevent pilots singling out a judge for a "That was a perfect spin, how come you gave me a zero?" debate.

I won an Advanced contest once, because in round two the USPJA judge said I was way too far out. The next four rounds were flown closer than my usual and I got better scores from OTHER judges. I know that the judge in question, (in both cases) was surely trying to help. Problem is, does helping cause other problems. In your case it did not feel good and it caused you concern.

I have seen pilots get bent out of shape because other pilots got feedback and they didn't - it's a minefield.

My personal take is that you should not have dialog of this nature during a contest. That does beg the question of when and that's another story...........

Eric.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave & Sue Funk [mailto:dnsfunk at peoplepc.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:28 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Judging behaviour


I agree with Rick completely. Comments from the judges is welcome. (POST
FLIGHT)

 Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Wallace" <rickwallace45 at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: Judging behaviour


> I'm a fairly new pattern pilot, and welcome the comments of more
experienced
> pilots anytime I can get 'em, especially since they're  pilots too, and
are
> virtually always more experienced than I am.
>
> I look at immediate post-flight conversation w/ the judges as a way to
> improve my flying. I'll routinely turn to the judges after I land and ask
> them for their comments.
> Sometimes they'll let me know that they'd rather not comment, and I thank
> them and leave. Often, though, one or more will be willing to give his
> impressions and perceptions of the flight - this can be as valuable as any
> other input.
>
> Of course, if the next guy already has his engine running, and is waiting
to
> step into the box then there's no discussion- -it's his flight line.
> Otherwise, why not get the mini-critique?
>
> By the same token when I judge, when a competitor *asks* for feedback (and
> only then) after his flight, I'll give it (usually deferring to the more
> senior judge if there is one) when there's time before the next pilot's
up.
> I trust the other judge not to be influenced (not to be swayed in his
> judgiung the rest of the round) by my comments, as I try not to be swayed
by
> his comments.
>
> We pattern guys don't fly together enough as it is, and should take max
> advantage of the chances to help each other and to be helped.
>
> My $.02 -
> Rick
>
> >
> >I recently attended a competition in which the conduct of a particular
> >judge
> >left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. As I turned towards the judges
> >after
> >completing my flight this particular person (experienced F3A judge) made
a
> >number of comments about my flight being flown too far out and that he
> >docked several points per manoeuvre. These comments were made in the
> >presence of the other two judges.
> >
> >I am not going to argue that I was or wasn't. The concern I had with this
> >behaviour was he could have influenced the other judges to think the same
> >as
> >they had less experience. This type of conduct should not be allowed to
> >happen. Judges should be able to judge a flight based on their own
> >perception and interpretation of rules etc. If this particular person
> >thought that I should be docked 2 points per manoeuvre then that should
be
> >his opinion only.
> >
> >The issue here is that most of us on this list judge and fly aerobatics.
> >Everyone deserves to be judged fairly and unbiased by people who have
their
> >own perception on how a flight should look and should be flown. Why have
3
> >or 5 judges?
> >
> >If you looked at this incident from another angle some of my competitors
> >may
> >say that I was being coached by a judge which could raise another set of
> >problems.
> >
> >All in all, the fact he said anything was wrong.
> >
> >Just my thoughts
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
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