Avoidance Rule
Keith Black
tkeithb at attbi.com
Wed Feb 5 10:27:14 AKST 2003
You know, as the LIMIT of your plane goes from one to one million pieces you
plane becomes EXPONENTIALLY difficult to load back into your car.
And when you get home, your wife sees that you return with a DERIVATIVE of
what you left with.
(for you math geeks)
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Sweatt" <dsweatt at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Avoidance Rule
> What about the SUBTRACTION of the money from the wallet to buy a new
plane?
> I always thought that part was the worst..That's why I fly Tom Theurers
left
> over beaters. Fed-Ex looks like crap but boy she still flies good!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: wgalligan <wgalligan at cnbcom.net>
> >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >To: discussion at nsrca.org <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >Subject: Re: Avoidance Rule
> >Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:20:14 -0500
> >
> >You can add MULTIPACATION in there too. Because after a mid air there
are
> >MULTIPLE parts to be picked up. Any way you ADD it up its not good math.
> >
> > > Boy --
> > >
> > > Personal experience says it's both division and subtraction --
> > >
> > > Division -- this describes how the two planes re-kit each other at
speed
> >at
> > > altitude during a midair...
> > >
> > > Subtraction -- describes the change in the number of available
aircraft
> >for
> > > both pilots....
> > >
> > > <ouch...>
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Lance:
> > > >Thanks for the math refresher. I thought it was called a subtraction
> >of
> > > >2.<G>
> > > >
> > > >Bill Glaze
> > > >
> > > >s.vannostrand at kodak.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The interaction of two numbers in this way is called "division".
> > > > >
> > > > > --Lance
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Glaze <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
> > > > Sent by: discussion-request at nsrca.org To:
> > > > discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > 02/03/2003 06:08 PM cc:
> > > > Please respond to discussion Subject:
Re:
> > > > Avoidance Rule
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gray:
> > > > > What happens if the plane with a number which is up, hits one
whose
> > > > > number has not yet come?<G>
> > > > > Bill Glaze
> > > > >
> > > > > Gray E Fowler wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah...thats what I meant. I have seen a lot more planes go down
> >due
> > > > > to other problems-like forgeting to put on wing bolts, radio
> >problems
> > > > > etc. I bet battery/switch (electrical) is way higher than mid
airs.
> >My
> > > > > only point, bad statistics and all is that if you put in special
> >rules
> > > > > for everything that could happen to protect a plane it would bog
> >down
> > > > > a contest that already seems to move at a snails pace in 100F
> >weather.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as losing planes goes it all comes down to the fact that
> >every
> > > > > plane has a NUMBER and when that number is called that plane goes
> > > > > down.
> > > > > It is good to be in the kit business.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gray Fowler
> > > > > Principal Chemical Engineer
> > > > > Composites Engineering
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Keith Black" <tkeithb at attbi.com>
> > > > Sent by: To:
> > > > discussion-request at nsrca.org <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > cc:
> > > > 02/01/2003 01:08 AM Subject: Re:
> > > > Please respond to discussion Avoidance Rule
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gray, your number of 0.08% is your probability of having a mid-air
> > > > > "per flight".
> > > > >
> > > > > Another way to look at this is:
> > > > >
> > > > > 6 planes involved in a mid-airs in 4 years
> > > > > That's 1.5 planes per year lost.
> > > > > So 1.5 out of 25 pilots loose a plane each year
> > > > > That's a 6% chance of loosing a plane during a year of flying.
> > > > >
> > > > > My guess is that if you had a 6% chance of having an auto accident
> >per
> > > > > year you'd never get insurance!
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, I need to get this new Aries finished so I can get
> >my
> > > > > next one started ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Gray E Fowler
> > > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:24 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: Avoidance Rule
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand this discussion if it made mid-airs less frequent,
but
> > > > > look at the numbers first prior to really putting something in
that
> > > > > slows down a contest or adds other inconvenience.
> > > > > This is my personal experience. I have seen 3 mid airs at a
contest
> >in
> > > > > 4 years. On the AVERAGE we have 25 flyers at 6 rounds per contest,
6
> > > > > contests per year. That is 3600 flights/3 mid airs or 0.08%.
> > > > >
> > > > > No one likes to lose a plane ( happened to me during practice-it
was
> > > > > Lance's fault and that makes me feel better) but no one likes to
> >drive
> > > > > to a contest and not get a maximum of flights in either. Calling
out
> > > > > avoidance and bailing just does not seem to work with me, as Lance
> > > > > mentioned if you are gonna hit it will be a big surprize-no one
can
> > > > > call you off in time. The reality probably is that at an I MAC
event
> > > > > if someone bailed they were close but not really going to hit. The
> > > > > argument about lots more money does not work either because of the
> > > > > time required to build a plane outweighs the cost(for most). Also
if
> > > > > money was a legitimate argument then since pattern planes only
cost
> > > > > $2-3K instead of $5-6K IMAC then we could accept the risk. Pattern
> > > > > contests in D6 always try to run rapid and smooth where as the IMA
C
> > > > > guys are allowed to land and re-fuel after round 1-still on the
> >clock,
> > > > > then go up for round 2. They just do not seem to be as concerned!!
> > > > > about packing in the flights. The! "weather" reason is strange too
> >as
> > > > > if lightning or something appear the CD would shut down (except
> > > > > Gene-he most likely would yell "stay out there you weenie.....you
> >need
> > > > > to learn to fly in all conditions")-not the call of the flyer. If
it
> > > > > got "dangerously windy" or something else-geeez its a
hobby....dump
> > > > > the round and save your stinkin' plane-once again if the flyer
could
> > > > > make this call it could wreak havoc and even spur on momentum to
> > > > > increase the weight limit or some other sensitive rule-issue(thats
a
> > > > > dry joke!).
> > > > >
> > > > > Consider yourself a soldier-Take the Patton attitude, some of you
> >are
> > > > > gonna die, ( or the Full Metal Jacket attitude "better you than
me")
> > > > > the rest of us live patternly happily after ever.
> > > > >
> > > > > And NO I do not think I am Karma destined for a mid-air.
> >Statistically
> > > > > speaking I a clear because I already had my mid-air (except for
the
> > > > > reality that the statistical facts say my chances for a midair are
> >the
> > > > > same every time I go up at a contest). So I hope-better you than
me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have a nice weekend
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gray Fowler
> > > > > Principal Chemical Engineer
> > > > > Composites Engineering
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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