Avoidance Rule
John Gayer
jgghome at earthlink.net
Wed Feb 5 18:31:28 AKST 2003
And then you must integrate your parts from one to a million over time.
Keith Black wrote:
> You know, as the LIMIT of your plane goes from one to one million pieces you
> plane becomes EXPONENTIALLY difficult to load back into your car.
>
> And when you get home, your wife sees that you return with a DERIVATIVE of
> what you left with.
>
> (for you math geeks)
>
> Keith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Sweatt" <dsweatt at hotmail.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Avoidance Rule
>
>
>
>>What about the SUBTRACTION of the money from the wallet to buy a new
>
> plane?
>
>>I always thought that part was the worst..That's why I fly Tom Theurers
>
> left
>
>>over beaters. Fed-Ex looks like crap but boy she still flies good!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: wgalligan <wgalligan at cnbcom.net>
>>>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>To: discussion at nsrca.org <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>Subject: Re: Avoidance Rule
>>>Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:20:14 -0500
>>>
>>>You can add MULTIPACATION in there too. Because after a mid air there
>>
> are
>
>>>MULTIPLE parts to be picked up. Any way you ADD it up its not good math.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Boy --
>>>>
>>>>Personal experience says it's both division and subtraction --
>>>>
>>>>Division -- this describes how the two planes re-kit each other at
>>>
> speed
>
>>>at
>>>
>>>>altitude during a midair...
>>>>
>>>>Subtraction -- describes the change in the number of available
>>>
> aircraft
>
>>>for
>>>
>>>>both pilots....
>>>>
>>>><ouch...>
>>>>
>>>>Rick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Lance:
>>>>>Thanks for the math refresher. I thought it was called a subtraction
>>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>>2.<G>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Glaze
>>>>>
>>>>>s.vannostrand at kodak.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The interaction of two numbers in this way is called "division".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Lance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Glaze <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent by: discussion-request at nsrca.org To:
>>>>> discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>> 02/03/2003 06:08 PM cc:
>>>>> Please respond to discussion Subject:
>>>>
> Re:
>
>>>>> Avoidance Rule
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gray:
>>>>>>What happens if the plane with a number which is up, hits one
>>>>>
> whose
>
>>>>>>number has not yet come?<G>
>>>>>>Bill Glaze
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gray E Fowler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah...thats what I meant. I have seen a lot more planes go down
>>>>>
>>>due
>>>
>>>>>>to other problems-like forgeting to put on wing bolts, radio
>>>>>
>>>problems
>>>
>>>>>>etc. I bet battery/switch (electrical) is way higher than mid
>>>>>
> airs.
>
>>>My
>>>
>>>>>>only point, bad statistics and all is that if you put in special
>>>>>
>>>rules
>>>
>>>>>>for everything that could happen to protect a plane it would bog
>>>>>
>>>down
>>>
>>>>>>a contest that already seems to move at a snails pace in 100F
>>>>>
>>>weather.
>>>
>>>>>>As far as losing planes goes it all comes down to the fact that
>>>>>
>>>every
>>>
>>>>>>plane has a NUMBER and when that number is called that plane goes
>>>>>>down.
>>>>>>It is good to be in the kit business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gray Fowler
>>>>>>Principal Chemical Engineer
>>>>>>Composites Engineering
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Keith Black" <tkeithb at attbi.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent by: To:
>>>>> discussion-request at nsrca.org <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> cc:
>>>>> 02/01/2003 01:08 AM Subject: Re:
>>>>> Please respond to discussion Avoidance Rule
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gray, your number of 0.08% is your probability of having a mid-air
>>>>>>"per flight".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Another way to look at this is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>6 planes involved in a mid-airs in 4 years
>>>>>>That's 1.5 planes per year lost.
>>>>>>So 1.5 out of 25 pilots loose a plane each year
>>>>>>That's a 6% chance of loosing a plane during a year of flying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My guess is that if you had a 6% chance of having an auto accident
>>>>>
>>>per
>>>
>>>>>>year you'd never get insurance!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In other words, I need to get this new Aries finished so I can get
>>>>>
>>>my
>>>
>>>>>>next one started ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Keith
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: Gray E Fowler
>>>>>>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:24 AM
>>>>>>Subject: RE: Avoidance Rule
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I understand this discussion if it made mid-airs less frequent,
>>>>>
> but
>
>>>>>>look at the numbers first prior to really putting something in
>>>>>
> that
>
>>>>>>slows down a contest or adds other inconvenience.
>>>>>>This is my personal experience. I have seen 3 mid airs at a
>>>>>
> contest
>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>>>4 years. On the AVERAGE we have 25 flyers at 6 rounds per contest,
>>>>>
> 6
>
>>>>>>contests per year. That is 3600 flights/3 mid airs or 0.08%.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No one likes to lose a plane ( happened to me during practice-it
>>>>>
> was
>
>>>>>>Lance's fault and that makes me feel better) but no one likes to
>>>>>
>>>drive
>>>
>>>>>>to a contest and not get a maximum of flights in either. Calling
>>>>>
> out
>
>>>>>>avoidance and bailing just does not seem to work with me, as Lance
>>>>>>mentioned if you are gonna hit it will be a big surprize-no one
>>>>>
> can
>
>>>>>>call you off in time. The reality probably is that at an I MAC
>>>>>
> event
>
>>>>>>if someone bailed they were close but not really going to hit. The
>>>>>>argument about lots more money does not work either because of the
>>>>>>time required to build a plane outweighs the cost(for most). Also
>>>>>
> if
>
>>>>>>money was a legitimate argument then since pattern planes only
>>>>>
> cost
>
>>>>>>$2-3K instead of $5-6K IMAC then we could accept the risk. Pattern
>>>>>>contests in D6 always try to run rapid and smooth where as the IMA
>>>>>
> C
>
>>>>>>guys are allowed to land and re-fuel after round 1-still on the
>>>>>
>>>clock,
>>>
>>>>>>then go up for round 2. They just do not seem to be as concerned!!
>>>>>>about packing in the flights. The! "weather" reason is strange too
>>>>>
>>>as
>>>
>>>>>>if lightning or something appear the CD would shut down (except
>>>>>>Gene-he most likely would yell "stay out there you weenie.....you
>>>>>
>>>need
>>>
>>>>>>to learn to fly in all conditions")-not the call of the flyer. If
>>>>>
> it
>
>>>>>>got "dangerously windy" or something else-geeez its a
>>>>>
> hobby....dump
>
>>>>>>the round and save your stinkin' plane-once again if the flyer
>>>>>
> could
>
>>>>>>make this call it could wreak havoc and even spur on momentum to
>>>>>>increase the weight limit or some other sensitive rule-issue(thats
>>>>>
> a
>
>>>>>>dry joke!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Consider yourself a soldier-Take the Patton attitude, some of you
>>>>>
>>>are
>>>
>>>>>>gonna die, ( or the Full Metal Jacket attitude "better you than
>>>>>
> me")
>
>>>>>>the rest of us live patternly happily after ever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And NO I do not think I am Karma destined for a mid-air.
>>>>>
>>>Statistically
>>>
>>>>>>speaking I a clear because I already had my mid-air (except for
>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>>reality that the statistical facts say my chances for a midair are
>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>same every time I go up at a contest). So I hope-better you than
>>>>>
> me.
>
>>>>>>Have a nice weekend
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gray Fowler
>>>>>>Principal Chemical Engineer
>>>>>>Composites Engineering
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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