Avoidance Rule

David Sweatt dsweatt at hotmail.com
Wed Feb 5 07:02:17 AKST 2003 

What about the SUBTRACTION of the money from the wallet to buy a new plane? 
I always thought that part was the worst..That's why I fly Tom Theurers left 
over beaters. Fed-Ex looks like crap but boy she still flies good!!






>From: wgalligan <wgalligan at cnbcom.net>
>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>To: discussion at nsrca.org <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: Avoidance Rule
>Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:20:14 -0500
>
>You can add MULTIPACATION in there too.  Because after a mid air there are 
>MULTIPLE parts to be picked up.  Any way you ADD it up its not good math.
>
> > Boy --
> >
> > Personal experience says it's both division and subtraction --
> >
> > Division -- this describes how the two planes re-kit each other at speed 
>at
> > altitude during a midair...
> >
> > Subtraction -- describes the change in the number of available aircraft 
>for
> > both pilots....
> >
> > <ouch...>
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > >
> > >Lance:
> > >Thanks for the math refresher.  I thought it was called a subtraction 
>of
> > >2.<G>
> > >
> > >Bill Glaze
> > >
> > >s.vannostrand at kodak.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The interaction of two numbers in this way is called "division".
> > > >
> > > > --Lance
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Bill Glaze <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
> > >    Sent by: discussion-request at nsrca.org          To:
> > >                                           discussion at nsrca.org
> > >    02/03/2003 06:08 PM                            cc:
> > >    Please respond to discussion                   Subject:        Re:
> > >                                           Avoidance Rule
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gray:
> > > > What happens if the plane with a number which is up, hits one whose
> > > > number has not yet come?<G>
> > > > Bill Glaze
> > > >
> > > > Gray E Fowler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yeah...thats what I meant.  I have seen a lot more planes go down 
>due
> > > > to other problems-like forgeting to put on wing bolts, radio 
>problems
> > > > etc. I bet battery/switch (electrical) is way higher than mid airs. 
>My
> > > > only point, bad statistics and all is that if you put in special 
>rules
> > > > for everything that could happen to protect a plane it would bog 
>down
> > > > a contest that already seems to move at a snails pace in 100F 
>weather.
> > > >
> > > > As far as losing planes goes it all comes down to the fact that 
>every
> > > > plane has a NUMBER and when that number is called that plane goes
> > > > down.
> > > > It is good to be in the kit business.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gray Fowler
> > > > Principal Chemical Engineer
> > > > Composites Engineering
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   "Keith Black" <tkeithb at attbi.com>
> > >     Sent by:                                    To:
> > >     discussion-request at nsrca.org         <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > >                                                 cc:
> > >     02/01/2003 01:08 AM                         Subject:        Re:
> > >     Please respond to discussion         Avoidance Rule
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gray, your number of 0.08% is your probability of having a mid-air
> > > > "per flight".
> > > >
> > > > Another way to look at this is:
> > > >
> > > > 6 planes involved in a mid-airs in 4 years
> > > > That's 1.5 planes per year lost.
> > > > So 1.5 out of 25 pilots loose a plane each year
> > > > That's a 6% chance of loosing a plane during a year of flying.
> > > >
> > > > My guess is that if you had a 6% chance of having an auto accident 
>per
> > > > year you'd never get insurance!
> > > >
> > > > In other words, I need to get this new Aries finished so I can get 
>my
> > > > next one started ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Gray E Fowler
> > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:24 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Avoidance Rule
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I understand this discussion if it made mid-airs less frequent, but
> > > > look at the numbers first prior to really putting something in that
> > > > slows down a contest or adds other inconvenience.
> > > > This is my personal experience. I have seen 3 mid airs at a contest 
>in
> > > > 4 years. On the AVERAGE we have 25 flyers at 6 rounds per contest, 6
> > > > contests per year. That is 3600 flights/3 mid airs or 0.08%.
> > > >
> > > > No one likes to lose a plane ( happened to me during practice-it was
> > > > Lance's fault and that makes me feel better) but no one likes to 
>drive
> > > > to a contest and not get a maximum of flights in either. Calling out
> > > > avoidance and bailing just does not seem to work with me, as Lance
> > > > mentioned if you are gonna hit it will be a big surprize-no one can
> > > > call you off in time. The reality probably is that at an I MAC event
> > > > if someone bailed they were close but not really going to hit. The
> > > > argument about lots more money does not work either because of the
> > > > time required to build a plane outweighs the cost(for most). Also if
> > > > money was a legitimate argument then since pattern planes only cost
> > > > $2-3K instead of $5-6K IMAC then we could accept the risk. Pattern
> > > > contests in D6 always try to run rapid and smooth where as the IMAC
> > > > guys are allowed to land and re-fuel after round 1-still on the 
>clock,
> > > > then go up for round 2. They just do not seem to be as concerned!!
> > > > about packing in the flights. The! "weather" reason is strange too 
>as
> > > > if lightning or something appear the CD would shut down (except
> > > > Gene-he most likely would yell "stay out there you weenie.....you 
>need
> > > > to learn to fly in all conditions")-not the call of the flyer. If it
> > > > got "dangerously windy" or something else-geeez its a hobby....dump
> > > > the round and save your stinkin' plane-once again if the flyer could
> > > > make this call it could wreak havoc and even spur on momentum to
> > > > increase the weight limit or some other sensitive rule-issue(thats a
> > > > dry joke!).
> > > >
> > > > Consider yourself a soldier-Take the Patton attitude, some of you 
>are
> > > > gonna die, ( or the Full Metal Jacket attitude "better you than me")
> > > > the rest of us live patternly happily after ever.
> > > >
> > > > And NO I do not think I am Karma destined for a mid-air. 
>Statistically
> > > > speaking I a clear because I already had my mid-air (except for the
> > > > reality that the statistical facts say my chances for a midair are 
>the
> > > > same every time I go up at a contest). So I hope-better you than me.
> > > >
> > > > Have a nice weekend
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gray Fowler
> > > > Principal Chemical Engineer
> > > > Composites Engineering
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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