Trainer for youngs

[Dave Smith]

I believe the Fledgling was a Sterling kit and a very good flier and trainer
except for the nose gear hook up. All beginners and a few experienced guys
couldn't properly handle the hookup for the nose gear. Die cutting,or "die
crunching",seems to depend on whether the dies were new and sharp,or old and
dull.

Many seem to think,if it is called a trainer,that a plane is not aerobatic.
Most any plane can fly inverted,do point rolls,slow rolls,stall
turns,loops,maybe even a spin or something that at least looks somewhat like
a spin. Combine these and you can do top hats,cuban 8s,etc.  The list one
can do is only limited by one's imagination.   Some fliers don't have much
imagination.

Now don't forget,I didn't say a "trainer" would do these maneouvres well.  I
just said it will do them if the pilot will only try.

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Trainer for youngs



On Dec 18, 2003, at 5:20 PM, Wayne Galligan wrote:

> I remember .....    way back....  An airplane I flew that was a
> shoulder
> wing. semi-symmetrical airfoil step up from the basic trainer and it
> was
> called a Fledgling.  Forgot who made it but was an easy plane to fly
> as my
> second airplane and would do a lot of stunts.   Would have been a good
> trainer too.

I remember the Fledgling.  It flew great, but the kit was terrible.
The 'balsa crunched' ribs and formers were a sight to behold.

Ron Van Putte

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Xavier Mouraux" <xavier.mouraux at sympatico.ca>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:11 PM
> Subject: Trainer for youngs
>
>
>> From the experience in my club, I agree that the young ones outgrow
>> the
>> standard trainer very quickly. Usually, they fly inverted within the
>> first
>> month and they want a better plane within 2.
>> The parents don't understand why they should buy a new one since the
>> first
>> plane is only 2 months old. We usually lose the guy. That's why I
> recommend
>> the next level of airplane with non-flat bottom and even low wing if
>> possible to the pilot under 15 or 20, specially if they have RC car
>> experience. A Four Star or a Tiger would do. It will be a little more
>> difficult at first but that is a good thing, as it will show them it
>> is
> not
>> a toy. Once they got over the first few flights, they will have enough
> left
>> in the plane for some time. These plane are always fun to fly once in
>> a
>> while anyway even after a few years of flying.
>> I haven't been able to get someone to try my way instead of the hobby
>> shop
>> way yet but I think it would work.
>> Have fun
>>
>> Xavier
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>; <discussion at nsrca.org>;
>> <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:42 AM
>> Subject: RE: Winter projects
>>
>>
>> I'll chime in since I JUST bought an arf for my 7yr old son for
>> christmas
>> yesterday...  I'll be more generic though...focus on the airfoil, and
> avoid
>> the flat bottom trainers.  I went with a Great Planes Stik, just
>> because
> it
>> was convienient, but I think any shoulder wing semi or full
>> symmetrical
>> airfoil is your best bet for that age.  I had my son on a buddy box
>> twice
>> last year...total of 25min flying time...and after 5 minutes of pure
>> hell
>> (him mashing the sticks to the corners) he settled down and on the
>> second
>> tank, flew virtually the entire flight doing both loops and single
>> rolls.
>>
>> It will take a bit to get him landing...but they're sponges at that
> age...I
>> think he'd outgrow a flat bottom airfoil in a HURRY.  So I decided to
> trade
>> a small amount of stability, for a HUGE increase in potential
>> aerobatic
>> performance.
>>
>> By the way those flights this past year were on a Hobbico
>> Avistar...flew
>> great....the covering was cheesy (stick on...an older arf...that may
>> have
>> changed) so I went with the GP arf which is monokote.
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Hughes [mailto:jhughes at hsonline.net]
>> Sent: Thu 12/18/2003 7:28 AM
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org; discussion at nsrca.org
>> Cc:
>> Subject: RE: Winter projects
>>
>> John,
>> Your right about a lot of reccomendations! I taught a 55 year old guy
>> to fly a sig kadet ARF this summer. He soloed after 3 flights on the
>> buddy box! That plane will land itself.
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>> Nat –
>>>
>>> You will probably get a lot of recommendations, but our club’s
>>> experience over the past 5-8 years is that you can’t beat the Hobbico
>>> Avistar. Semi symmetrical wing so you can get to inverted flight on
>> it,
>>> yet it flies and lands as slowly as you could want. Get the one
>> without
>>> the engine and add an OS or TT .46 bb engine instead of the cheap .40
>>> that comes with the more complete setup.
>>>
>>> John Petterson
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-
>> request at nsrca.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Nat Penton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:52 PM
>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>> Subject: Re: Winter projects
>>>
>>> It is getting late in the game, but regardless, I need to buy a
>> present
>>> for a 7 year old. Who makes the best quality ARF trainer ?
>>> natpenton at centurytel.net
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
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