Pattern Fun / scribe / Judging

[Del Rykert]

How fortunate for you... I have not been so fortunate. Watching the other
classes fly might be fine if you have the time to watch but when you are
tending to repairs or working on ailing engines or calling for other pilots
leaves little or no time for standing around watching other people fly..
When I judge my eyes and neck get burned out as it is without looking for
more torture.

     Del K. Rykert
     AMA - 8928
     NSRCA - 473
     Kb2joi - General

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomanek, Wojtek" <tomanekw at saic-abingdon.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: Pattern Fun / scribe / Judging


> Ok, we spend hours and hours building the planes (or work a lot at regular
> jobs and pay for someone to build the plane), setting the planes,
trimming,
> and then practicing, and learning our sequences.  We also need to find
time
> to learn the other sequences.  If there are no opportunities at local
field,
> pay attention to the sequences in the early rounds of a contest and maybe
> that will be enough to be able to judge the last round, or at the next
> contest. Use the contests to learn and not just hang out with friend.
> Scribing is a good way to learn too.
>
> As a judge one has the responsibility to the pilot being judged and others
> in the contest to not only be familiar but know the sequence very well and
> easily identify small but crucial errors (say in the FAI  snap followed by
> point rolls in the OPPOSITE direction - wrong direction will earn you
zero).
> Reading the sequence is not enough, seeing it flown numerous times
correctly
> is a must in my book.  Eric is correct that some of the maneuver
> descriptions are too long to be announced just before the maneuver without
> interfering with the judging and the pilot's concentration.  My call sheet
> has certain words bolded in the description and I always ask the caller to
> only read the bolded stuff, so I only have to be reminded of what is
coming
> up but not the entire maneuver description, for instance:
>       "triangle" means "triangle with two out of four point rolls"
>       "square" means "square form the top with half rolls in first and
third
> leg"
> But that is certainly not enough for the unfamiliar judge.
>
> The bottom line is that it is the judges responsibility to KNOW the
sequence
> he/she is judging.  If you are asked to judge and you are not familiar
with
> the sequence - tell the CD that you are not comfortable judging this
class,
> he will find someone else.  In the past I have declined to judge FAI when
I
> was not familiar with the sequence.  If I cannot judge to the best of my
> abilities because I do not know the sequence I do not want to judge and
> should not be allowed either - there are no excuses on this issue.
>
> Wojtek
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henderson,Eric [SMTP:eric.henderson at gartner.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:12 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: RE: Pattern Fun / scribe / Judging
>
> I had this "Call the maneuver " request forced on me at the Nat's
> when I was flying Advanced. The problem was it happened at the flight line
> and flight time. The bigger problem was that Michelle was trained to call
> two maneuvers at a time. Turnaround and then center, so I knew what to set
> up for. Result total confusion. (Great excuse for a bad flight too)
> As a direct result from protests, by other pilots, the judge was
> removed.  The round was not re-flown however, due to time restraints. The
> judge has no right to require the caller or the pilot to shout out the
> maneuver.
> Scribes have a duty to tell the judge what the next maneuver is.
> Unfortunately some of the descriptions are so long that the maneuver is
over
> before the scribe finishes the read out. A system where the judge can read
> the maneuver does work, but does require end or center judging.
> It makes no difference whether one judge or two judges judge all the
> maneuvers when you only have two judges on the flight line.
> Regards,
> Eric
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Wendt [mailto:wendt at kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil]
> <mailto:[mailto:wendt at kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil]>
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 6:31 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: Pattern Fun / scribe / Judging
>
>
> Larry,
> I'm with you 100%.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  Like you I
> wasn't there, and I'm sure there were circumstances involved we know
nothing
> about.  And not knowing what class the pilot was flying, he may have been
up
> to his neck in alligators if he was in one of the lower classes, and the
> additional pressure and strain introduced by the judge was unnecessary.
The
> pilot was no longer concentrating solely on the flight, which can cause
> safety of flight issues.  At a busy contest, with two lines, this can
cause
> real problems.
> I think the issues leading up to the confrontation should be handled
> at the pilots meeting, before any fuel is pumped, and laid to rest there.
> The issue of the pilot/caller needing or not needing to call the maneuver
to
> the judge should be gone over before the contest gets under way, so that
> everyone is singing from the same sheet of music.
> And hard feelings generated by an incident such as this can have
> some big repercussions.  The other pilots, seeing this display may think,
> well if this contest has judges like this, I'm not going to come back.
Or,
> on the other hand, if the judges see shouting back and forth between pilot
> and judge, and the CD lets them get away with it, they may not come back
and
> judge.  It's a two-edged sword.  Hopefully, the CD handled this situation
in
> a dignified and diplomatic way, the contest got back under way, and there
> were no hard feelings after the fact.
> Mark
>
> At 11:26 AM 9/22/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Mark,
> >
> >I agree with you that it's was unprofessional for the judge
> to act in the
> >manner described. However, two wrongs don't make it right.
> More often than
> >not, the second foul draws the flag or penalty.
> >
> >There are probably a number of different ways for the CD to
> handle this and
> >perhaps the CD did handle it well. None the less, a yelling
> match should
> >never happen during a contest. The pilot should not have
> engaged the judge
> >even if the judge was unfair. The pilot should have plead
> the case to the
> CD
> >after the flight. A number of possible remedies could have
> been made by the
> >CD which could have been  to allow the pilot to scrub that
> flight and make
> >it up at the end of the round; or, scrub the round, replace
> the judge and
> >redo the round.
> >
> >I would hope, and state during a pilot meeting if I was a
> CD, that a judge
> >and/or pilot give me the opportunity to resolve a problem
> instead of taking
> >it into there own hands. In the situation described I'm
> certain that it
> >removed an element of fun and camaraderie for a period of
> time or for the
> >whole event for that matter. The situation wasn't fair to
> the majority of
> >participants and the CD, setting aside the judge and the
> pilot involved.
> >
> >I wasn't there and I'm sure there are two sides to the
> story, so I can't
> say
> >how I would have handled it. However, based on what I
> understand for the
> big
> >picture the pilot should have been held accountable to the
> rule book. The
> >level of accountability is very subjective and depends on
> the severity of
> >the conflict. To your point, perhaps the judge should have
> been held
> >accountable as well. Perhaps they both were...
> >
> >Larry
>
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