Pattern Fun / scribe / Judging

[Del Rykert]

Well said and I agree whole heartedly..
     Del
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Diamond" <jed241 at email.msn.com>
To: "NSRCA List" <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pattern Fun / scribe / Judging


> My opinion on the pilot or caller calling the maneuvers is pretty
strong....
>
> The pilot is the one being judged, not the judge. I have seen pilots cover
> errors with precision and sometime a judge doesn't see it. When this
happens
> even a well seasoned judge may loose track of the next maneuver because an
> exit was upright and should have been inverted and get confused. This
throws
> off the flow of the person judging and allows the pilot an opportunity to
> score better than deserved. This isn't fair to the other pilots.
>
> If the maneuvers are called loud enough for the judges to hear, the scribe
> don't need to call the maneuvers and the judge is mentally prepared to
judge
> it. This will assist not only the judges with less experience to get it
> right, but also prevent a seasoned judge from missing and scoring better
> than deserved.
>
> For the issue stated below...Although my comments suggest a vary harsh
> action by the CD, it is with in their authority...The rule book states
that,
> "A contestant or someone representing a contestant can't talk to an event
> judge unless it is the CD". This would be understood that even if the CD
was
> a judge that the contestant can't talk to him/her about judging. The harsh
> reality in my opinion is that the CD has the authority to disqualify the
> contestant for willful misconduct if they get into a yelling match with a
> judge, or the CD could be called under protest by another contestant if
that
> person wins and wasn't disqualified (or penalized such a zero for the
whole
> flight). Harsh, but that's how I see it...
>
> The action the pilot should have taken was to protest to the CD and keep
> cool. This is a "right" for the contestant. A CD must protect the judges
or
> the judges may be reluctant to judge again.
>
> .02 worth
>
> Larry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Glatt" <adam.g at sasktel.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Pattern Fun / scribe
>
>
> Hmmm... or even worse, as I witnessed this season at one contest, the
judge
> is ignored in his request, and part ways through the flight the judge
> requests the manuevers be called louder again.  Ignored agian.  Asks
again,
> louder.  Pilot gives message to caller, caller tells judge that the caller
> doesn't have to call out the manuevers at all if the pilot doesn't want
them
> (correct).  Judge asks again. Pilot tells judge same thing, only by this
> time is pissed off, along with the caller and judge.  For rest of flight
> judge whispers scores to scribe loud enough for everyone at that line
(other
> judge, pilot, caller), and I (sitting back 30 feet) to hear.  Ugly, ugly
> situation to watch, pilot and judge got into yelling match after flight.
>
> The entire flight is worthless, and we have two people very angry at each
> other, and a CD who has to hear the entire story from different points of
> view.
>
> I think the lesson is, don't refuse a judge.  If judges are requesting
loud
> calling and a pilot doesn't want the loud calling, the CD needs to step in
> BEFORE the flight and assign a caller for the judge.  The rule on what has
> to be called, and how loud, should also be explained by the CD at the
pilots
> meeting before the contest begins if there is any disagreement.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Glaze" <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: September 21, 2002 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Pattern Fun / scribe
> > Still, having said that, it is still preferable to call the maneuvers
> > for the judge, rather than have him/her get "lost" in the sequence.
> > And, for most of us, a refusal is unthinkable.  Do you want to get the
> > judge mad at you before the takeoff?<G>
> >
>
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