Outside the 9 dots - again

[Del Rykert]

Hi Troy.

    I don't disagree with your views.. I do see and have been on the
receiving end of judges who look down and can't judge the maneuvers
properly. I readily admit I don't have the classes of maneuvers memorized
and need a scribe to keep me on the same page and to be fair to the
contestants I judge. Not complaining but I do see some advantage to having
turnaround judges and center judges. I would love to have 4 judge on the
line at local contests but I don't see that as being very realistic. Until
callers have to call the maneuvers for the judges and pilot judges will be
needing scribes to help the judges manning the chairs.

     Del K. Rykert
     AMA - 8928
     NSRCA - 473
     Kb2joi - General
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Newman" <tanewman at qwest.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Outside the 9 dots - again


> Del,
>
> There are too many crazy people out their with non-rule book conforming
> ideas of judging...Just look at the stupid questions brought up on this
> list. Not to point fingures at anyone but come on you gotta have more than
1
> judge......
>
>
> TN
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Del Rykert" <drykert at rochester.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Outside the 9 dots - again
>
>
> > I didn't realize it would mean only one judge per maneuver.  Didn't know
> if
> > that was acceptable to the majority to have everything resting on that
one
> > judge. Personally I don't see a problem with that approach. It would
solve
> > some other problems for certain.
> >      Del
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Henderson,Eric" <eric.henderson at gartner.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 8:27 AM
> > Subject: RE: Outside the 9 dots - again
> >
> >
> > > Del this is the same number of judges as we use today at local
contests.
> > > Were you responding to a different note?
> > >
> > > Eric.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Del Rykert [mailto:drykert at rochester.rr.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:19 PM
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Subject: Re: Outside the 9 dots - again
> > >
> > >
> > > Not 2 b a Smart a** but will this leave anyone to fly? It does sound
> like
> > a
> > > great solution and has merit except for the real shortage of manpower
> when
> > > you CD a contest.
> > >
> > >     Del
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Henderson,Eric" <eric.henderson at gartner.com>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:22 AM
> > > Subject: Outside the 9 dots - again
> > >
> > >
> > > > If we copy FAI worlds judge team methodology we could use three
> judges.
> > > >
> > > > A version of this would be:-
> > > >
> > > > One judge who sits at the left and judges right hand turnarounds.
One
> > who
> > > > sits at the right and judges left side turnarounds. And one in the
> > middle
> > > > who only judges center maneuvers.
> > > >
> > > > NO SCRIBES REQUIRED at all!
> > > >
> > > > If you use two judges then do one turnaround judge and one center
> judge.
> > > You
> > > > could swap the rolls in the next round and have, in essence two new
> > > judges.
> > > >
> > > > The system gives you time to read the next maneuver, judge the
> maneuver
> > > and
> > > > score it at your leisure. It also allows less confident judges, (to
> get
> > > > their feet wet, to judge higher level turnaround maneuvers with a
more
> > > > experienced judge on the center.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone want to try it out at their next contest. BE BOLD
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Eric.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP
> > > > [mailto:James.Woodward2 at edwards.af.mil]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:08 PM
> > > > To: 'discussion at nsrca.org'
> > > > Subject: RE: Pattern Fun / scribe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You may have your own opinion on scribes or no scribes.  BUT, do
this
> at
> > > the
> > > > next contest.  Fly your round, then sit back and watch another flyer
> in
> > > YOUR
> > > > class.  Whatch his flight real close, and I'm sure you'll pick out
> some
> > > > errors, then, quickly look at the judges and notice which of the
> judges
> > > did
> > > > not see the error, because their head was obviously down, and
looking
> at
> > > the
> > > > paper.  Then, realize that if you judge and look down to write
scores,
> > > that
> > > > you probably miss something from that flight as well.  At the last
> > > contest,
> > > > I watched 1 judge who consistently missed the first two points of
the
> > > > inverted 4-pt roll, because they were looking down at writing the
> score
> > > from
> > > > the full-roll 1/2 outside loop.  How the heck can you judge the 4-pt
> > > > accurately, if you miss the entry (wings level?  heading?
> > > > decending/climbing?), first roll rate, etc? Not to mention all other
> > > > manuevers.  No judge should be looking down during any flight, from
> > > > sportsman to FAI.  Tough issue....
> > > >
> > > > Jim W.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John Ferrell [mailto:johnferrell at earthlink.net]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:52 AM
> > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Pattern Fun
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  (Can't see how you can judge FAI or Masters without a scribe.)
> > > > You don't have to keep the clipboard in your lap!
> > > >
> > > > John Ferrell
> > > > 6241 Phillippi Rd
> > > > Julian NC 27283
> > > > Phone: (336)685-9606
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> > > >
> > > >
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