Outside the 9 dots - again

[Tomanek, Wojtek]

If you use separate judges for center and turnaround maneuvers who catches
errors between the maneuvers or does it get double up sometimes (say no
straight line, galloping, wings off)

Wojtek


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Tony Stillman [SMTP:tony at radiosouthrc.com]
	Sent:	Monday, September 16, 2002 8:48 AM
	To:	discussion at nsrca.org
	Subject:	Re: Outside the 9 dots - again

	The problem with that is it is like having only one judge!  That's
because
	there is no overlap.  This was done at the WC in Pensacola in the
finals,
	but we used 6 judges for L/H turnaround, 6 for R/H and 8 for the
middle.  A
	high and low was thrown out for EACH GROUP.  If you don't have at
least 9
	judges, I would not recommend this.

	Tony Stillman
	Radio South, Inc.
	3702 N. Pace Blvd.
	Pensacola, Fl 32505
	www.radiosouthrc.com
	800-962-7802
	----- Original Message -----
	From: "Henderson,Eric" <eric.henderson at gartner.com>
	To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
	Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:22 AM
	Subject: Outside the 9 dots - again


	> If we copy FAI worlds judge team methodology we could use three
judges.
	>
	> A version of this would be:-
	>
	> One judge who sits at the left and judges right hand turnarounds.
One who
	> sits at the right and judges left side turnarounds. And one in the
middle
	> who only judges center maneuvers.
	>
	> NO SCRIBES REQUIRED at all!
	>
	> If you use two judges then do one turnaround judge and one center
judge.
	You
	> could swap the rolls in the next round and have, in essence two
new
	judges.
	>
	> The system gives you time to read the next maneuver, judge the
maneuver
	and
	> score it at your leisure. It also allows less confident judges,
(to get
	> their feet wet, to judge higher level turnaround maneuvers with a
more
	> experienced judge on the center.
	>
	> Anyone want to try it out at their next contest. BE BOLD
	>
	> Regards,
	>
	> Eric.
	>
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP
	> [mailto:James.Woodward2 at edwards.af.mil]
	> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:08 PM
	> To: 'discussion at nsrca.org'
	> Subject: RE: Pattern Fun / scribe
	>
	>
	> You may have your own opinion on scribes or no scribes.  BUT, do
this at
	the
	> next contest.  Fly your round, then sit back and watch another
flyer in
	YOUR
	> class.  Whatch his flight real close, and I'm sure you'll pick out
some
	> errors, then, quickly look at the judges and notice which of the
judges
	did
	> not see the error, because their head was obviously down, and
looking at
	the
	> paper.  Then, realize that if you judge and look down to write
scores,
	that
	> you probably miss something from that flight as well.  At the last
	contest,
	> I watched 1 judge who consistently missed the first two points of
the
	> inverted 4-pt roll, because they were looking down at writing the
score
	from
	> the full-roll 1/2 outside loop.  How the heck can you judge the
4-pt
	> accurately, if you miss the entry (wings level?  heading?
	> decending/climbing?), first roll rate, etc? Not to mention all
other
	> manuevers.  No judge should be looking down during any flight,
from
	> sportsman to FAI.  Tough issue....
	>
	> Jim W.
	>
	>
	>
	>
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: John Ferrell [mailto:johnferrell at earthlink.net]
	> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:52 AM
	> To: discussion at nsrca.org
	> Subject: Re: Pattern Fun
	>
	>
	>  (Can't see how you can judge FAI or Masters without a scribe.)
	> You don't have to keep the clipboard in your lap!
	>
	> John Ferrell
	> 6241 Phillippi Rd
	> Julian NC 27283
	> Phone: (336)685-9606
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	>
	>
	>
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