bureaucratic organization!

[Tony Stillman]

Buddy:

I'm not sure.  You would have to contact the AMA and get that info.  You might have to go straight to John Fuqua to get that as well.

Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
www.radiosouthrc.com

1-800-962-7802
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Buddy Brammer 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 12:08 PM
  Subject: Re: bureaucratic organization!


  Tony I agree. Does anyone know if the weight change proposal was submitted to AMA by anyone?

  Buddy



  >From: "Tony Stillman" 
  >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  >To: 
  >Subject: Re: bureaucratic organization! 
  >Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:44:31 -0500 
  > 
  >Troy: 
  > 
  >One correction. NSRCA proposals do NOT get an automatic pass on the initial vote. 
  > 
  >This changed about 6 years ago. As a matter of fact, An NSRCA past President, Rick Allison, spent long hours writing a proposal to help counteract this change. However, it ended up being thrown out by the AMA Exec. Counsel. 
  > 
  >I am in total support of ANY AMA member sending in proposals. Past surveys prove that NSRCA can't think of everything that needs to be done. Many things can be missed, or not even thought of. It is also very easy to just sit back and let NSRCA handle everything. Don't do that! That's the problem with the "silent majority" of our country now! We don't vote, and so we end up with what we get. 
  > 
  >It takes nerve to stand up for your ideas. Good job, Troy. 
  > 
  >Tony Stillman 
  >Radio South 
  >3702 N. Pace Blvd. 
  >Pensacola, FL 32505 
  >www.radiosouthrc.com 
  > 
  >1-800-962-7802 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Troy Newman 
  > To: discussion 
  > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:40 PM 
  > Subject: Re: bureaucratic organization! 
  > 
  > 
  > The SIG has special consideration in the Board as all proposals from the SIG automatically go to the final vote.....All other non-SIG proposals go to an initial vote to weed out the junk and then if they make it to the final Vote. 
  > 
  > 
  > This was not a Counter Proposal. It was not intended to tear down the results or the Vote of the NSRCA membership.....Rather it is a group of AMA members with no ill towards the NSRCA and all NSRCA members and advocates of the NSRCA We presented a Sequence to the Board for consideration as an option a choice. See by us doing it outside the NSRCA the process had much less red tape. Yes we had the decisions and made them without everybody's input...TRUE! But so did the NSRCA the number was what about 200 surveys returned out of how many members...Same old problem you can't solve.....Also the results were posted as Sequence #1 was the winner How many votes for each of the 3 sequences......? Did the NSRCA look at them and say hey Sequence #1 got 80 votes and #2 and #3 got 60 each so #1 wins..... because of the way its one voice one vote setup did the NSRCA look at the numbers and say there is our winner submit it? 
  > 
  > That's is part of flawed process when the Red Tape of the NSRCA is involved. Outside the system by a few motivated people can do as well....i shopped this around to dozens of people and got comments some made it in and some did not.....The flow of the sequence was paramount...next came the complexity, next came judging compatibility and last came the egos........Look I'm not pushing it on you! You don't like the sequence then tell your guy to vote it down.....Simple eh? 
  > 
  > 
  > But now is the time for your input contact your Board Member and tell him how you want his vote cast! 
  > 
  > I've seen Eric's job and don't want it. Did you guys ever see that commercial for that had the Cowboys herding cats! or better yet the one from the same company that had the plane being built in the air! That is what Eric's job is like!!!! 
  > 
  > So get along little kitties and good job Eric. I applaud your efforts. I know its hell.....I don't think the NSRCA is the end all answer to its own problems..........I think we need a Beer! 
  > 
  > 
  > Troy Newman 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Amar Shan 
  > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:43 PM 
  > To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  > Subject: RE: Masters 2005 Options 
  > 
  > This message elicited a heavy, heavy sigh from me. 
  > 
  > The AMA is a large and bureaucratic organization, covering a great many 
  > disciplines. The only way such an organization can reasonably function 
  > is through the use of Special Interest Groups, focused on specific 
  > disciplines, to make recommendations specific to each. As the 
  > sanctioning body, the AMA will make the ultimate decision, it is true. 
  > However, the AMA established the SIG to represent the interests of a 
  > group of modelers, and I would expect them to pay considerable attention 
  > to the SIG's recommendations. NSRCA is the SIG for pattern. 
  > 
  > A pattern flyer can take their recommendations directly to the AMA, but 
  > they are, in effect, forming an ad-hoc SIG for pattern. I would expect 
  > the AMA to pay less heed to such a recommendation than to the one from 
  > the appointed SIG. 
  > 
  > As an aside, NSRCA seems to do a pretty good job catering to the needs 
  > of pattern flyers (mind you, I am a Canadian, so I only see the good 
  > stuff, not the petty bickering). If anyone has strong feelings about 
  > the direction pattern is taking, assuming a leadership role in NSRCA 
  > seems to be the right way to act on those feelings. 
  > 
  > With reference to the specific case at hand, Voltaire said it best: "I 
  > disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to 
  > say it". 
  > 
  > Troy is certainly entitled to put a proposal forward to AMA, and none 
  > have the right to bear malice for his having done so. Nor have I heard 
  > such malice expressed. Of course, I think he has a better chance of 
  > getting his proposal accepted going through the NSRCA ... and would 
  > rather see someone with all this energy joining and assuming leadership 
  > responsibility in the NSRCA than in submitting counter-proposals to the 
  > AMA ... but that's a personal choice. 
  > 
  > A Canadian's 2 cents worth... 
  > 
  > Best regards, 
  > 
  > Amar 
  > 
  > 
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