Masters 2005 Options

[Tony Stillman]

Yes, it does.  Plane-Jane stall turns, loops, etc.  There are also very
difficult maneuver in it as well.  This is much like the Annex that Ron Van
Putte has designed.  This would give a known list to draw from.  This list
could be added to as needed.


Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Glaze" <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Masters 2005 Options


> But does it include figures simple enough for the lower classes?
> IMAC (pardon the expression) several years ago set out a series of figures
taken
> from the IAC Handbook, (Blue Book) that were permissible to be used in
unknowns
> for the various classes.  Worked quite well.
>
> Bill Glaze
>
> Tony Stillman wrote:
>
> > A list, as such, already exhists.  It is used in FAI to pick the "finals
> > Unknown" pattern.
> >
> > Tony Stillman
> > Radio South, Inc.
> > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> > Pensacola, Fl 32505
> > www.radiosouthrc.com
> > 800-962-7802
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tomanek, Wojtek" <tomanekw at saic-abingdon.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:45 PM
> > Subject: RE: Masters 2005 Options
> >
> > > Maybe in the future we can use a three step-process in selecting a new
> > > schedule for all AMA classes.   It would be very simple.
> > >
> > > 1) First lets the publish a list of all center and turnaround
> > > maneuvers. The list should contain all currently flown maneuvers and
> > > maneuvers that have been flown in the past.  The pattern community
would
> > be
> > > asked to propose additional realistic but innovative maneuvers, for
> > instance
> > > an avalanche from the top with a snap at the bottom, or a loop with a
roll
> > > at the top - the possibilities are endless
> > >
> > > 2) Once a complete list is assembled for a given selection cycle, it
> > > would be submitted for another membership vote to select the preferred
> > > maneuvers for each class (401, 402, 403, and 404).
> > >
> > > 3) Finally, a committee would assemble these sets of maneuvers into a
> > > well "flowing" schedules for each class.  (I would expect that the
> > selection
> > > process would include field testing by pilots in an appropriate class.
> > >
> > > In my opinion, the result will be set of schedules (401, 402, 403, and
> > 404)
> > > that majority of the pattern community will like because it will
contain
> > the
> > > most popular maneuvers, although the sequence may be drastically
different
> > > form what we are used to.
> > >
> > > I believe that developing a single schedules with appropriate
difficulty
> > and
> > > interesting maneuvers for everyone is almost impossible because of
> > enormous
> > > possibilities of variations that a schedule can be developed, hence
there
> > > will always be more than one opinion of what is better.  As an AMA
SIG,
> > the
> > > NSRCA would obviously conduct the polling/voting and final schedule
> > > selection.
> > >
> > > Just a proposal,
> > >
> > > Wojtek
> > > NSRCA 1856
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: glenn hatfield [SMTP:randy10926 at comcast.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:45 PM
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Subject: Re: Masters 2005 Options
> > >
> > > I second the motion.
> > > Randy
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Lee Davis <lee at piedmontmodels.com
> > > <mailto:lee at piedmontmodels.com> >
> > > Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:33 pm
> > > Subject: Re: Masters 2005 Options
> > >
> > > > I think it is *very* important for NSRCA to provide input
> > > to AMA > for rules > and flight routines.  It is the one and only
voice
> > for
> > > Pattern > pilots as a > group.
> > > >
> > > > There was an announcement and time given months ago for
> > > anyone to > submit routines for Masters on this very list.  A number
of
> > them
> > > > were discussed > right here.
> > > >
> > > > If someone wants to submit something else now, have at it,
> > > it's > your right, > but no one was excluded from the process of the
> > current
> > > submission > from NSRCA.
> > > >
> > > Ron, perhaps if you bothered to join NSRCA you would see the
> > > vast > improvements made over the last several years to reach out and
>
> > > promote to > the R/C modeling public at large.  I have the nothing but
> > > praise > for the > recent administration and staff.  I'm trying to say
> > > something that > doesn'tcome of as rude or petty, but Monday morning
> > > quarterbacks > comes to mind.
> > >
> > > > It's easy to criticize from the sidelines.
> > > >
> > > > Lee Davis
> > > > Piedmont Models
> > > > http://www.piedmontmodels.com/
> > > <http://www.piedmontmodels.com/>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Williams, Ron" <rwilliams at wilkinson-mfg.com
> > > <mailto:rwilliams at wilkinson-mfg.com> >
> > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:37 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Masters 2005 Options
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I try to stay out of this type of discussion and
> > > just fly
> > > > pattern.  That
> > > > is why you most likely have never seen my name post here.
> > > I have
> > > > followedthis list for several years and could not keep
> > > quit any
> > > > longer.  I want to
> > > > thank Troy for saying publicly what I feel several people
> > > are saying
> > > > privately.  I am one of the people who are no longer a
> > > current
> > > > member of the
> > > > NSRCA but do fly pattern, attend several contests a year
> > > and
> > > > belong to the
> > > > AMA.  Troy is correct.  The goal of the NSRCA is to
> > > promote the
> > > > future of RC
> > > > Aerobatics.  This is not what I feel has been the focus
> > > the last
> > > > few years.
> > > > The last time the patterns were changed a back room deal
> > > was made
> > > > by the
> > > > leadership of the NSRCA to change the membership-approved
> > > > patterns.  The
> > > > explanation was that it had to be done or it would not
> > > have
> > > > passed.  To me
> > > > this was an insult to anyone flying in that class that our
> > >
> > > > leadership agreed
> > > > with.  There are several times on that comments are made
> > > on this list
> > > > stating that people like myself who do not belong to the
> > > NSRCA
> > > > should have
> > > > no say in the future direction.  No wonder people think we
> > > feel we are
> > > > better than everyone else.
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with Troy, anyone who belongs to the AMA
> > > should be able
> > > > to present
> > > > a set of maneuvers to the AMA for approval.   The current
> > > > president of the
> > > > NSRCA going on a public list chastising this individual
> > > for doing
> > > > this is
> > > > wrong.  We need to promote the hobby to new people not
> > > promote
> > > > personalagendas.  Our local area is also growing like Troy
> > >
> > > > mentions his is.  I can
> > > > also tell you that most of them have no idea who the NSRCA
> > > is or
> > > > care.  They
> > > > are AMA members who want to fly aerobatics.  Hopefully the
> > > NSRCA
> > > > will soon
> > > > return to better times and we can begin to promote the
> > > hobby not
> > > > try to take
> > > > it over.  I agree, our future is bright and all the new
> > > equipment
> > > > keepsmaking it better.
> > > > >
> > > > > This message is not intended to upset anyone or
> > > is it intended
> > > > to be a
> > > > personal attack on anyone.  I hope it does not come across
> > > as
> > > > such.  It is
> > > > just my opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Williams
> > > >
> > > >
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