Masters 2005 Options

George Kennie geobet at gis.net
Thu Oct 24 16:08:07 AKDT 2002


Sounds doable to me, Wojtek.

Tomanek, Wojtek wrote:

> Maybe in the future we can use a three step-process in selecting a new
> schedule for all AMA classes.   It would be very simple.
>
> 1)      First lets the publish a list of all center and turnaround
> maneuvers. The list should contain all currently flown maneuvers and
> maneuvers that have been flown in the past.  The pattern community would be
> asked to propose additional realistic but innovative maneuvers, for instance
> an avalanche from the top with a snap at the bottom, or a loop with a roll
> at the top - the possibilities are endless
>
> 2)      Once a complete list is assembled for a given selection cycle, it
> would be submitted for another membership vote to select the preferred
> maneuvers for each class (401, 402, 403, and 404).
>
> 3)      Finally, a committee would assemble these sets of maneuvers into a
> well "flowing" schedules for each class.  (I would expect that the selection
> process would include field testing by pilots in an appropriate class.
>
> In my opinion, the result will be set of schedules (401, 402, 403, and 404)
> that majority of the pattern community will like because it will contain the
> most popular maneuvers, although the sequence may be drastically different
> form what we are used to.
>
> I believe that developing a single schedules with appropriate difficulty and
> interesting maneuvers for everyone is almost impossible because of enormous
> possibilities of variations that a schedule can be developed, hence there
> will always be more than one opinion of what is better.  As an AMA SIG, the
> NSRCA would obviously conduct the polling/voting and final schedule
> selection.
>
> Just a proposal,
>
> Wojtek
> NSRCA 1856
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From:   glenn hatfield [SMTP:randy10926 at comcast.net]
>         Sent:   Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:45 PM
>         To:     discussion at nsrca.org
>         Subject:        Re: Masters 2005 Options
>
>         I second the motion.
>         Randy
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From:   Lee Davis <lee at piedmontmodels.com
> <mailto:lee at piedmontmodels.com> >
>         Date:   Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:33 pm
>         Subject:        Re: Masters 2005 Options
>
>                 > I think it is *very* important for NSRCA to provide input
> to AMA > for rules > and flight routines.  It is the one and only voice for
> Pattern > pilots as a > group.
>                 >
>                 > There was an announcement and time given months ago for
> anyone to > submit routines for Masters on this very list.  A number of them
> > were discussed > right here.
>                 >
>                 > If someone wants to submit something else now, have at it,
> it's > your right, > but no one was excluded from the process of the current
> submission > from NSRCA.
>                 >
>                 Ron, perhaps if you bothered to join NSRCA you would see the
> vast > improvements made over the last several years to reach out and >
> promote to > the R/C modeling public at large.  I have the nothing but
> praise > for the > recent administration and staff.  I'm trying to say
> something that > doesn'tcome of as rude or petty, but Monday morning
> quarterbacks > comes to mind.
>
>                 > It's easy to criticize from the sidelines.
>                 >
>                 > Lee Davis
>                 > Piedmont Models
>                 > http://www.piedmontmodels.com/
> <http://www.piedmontmodels.com/>
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > ----- Original Message -----
>                 > From: "Williams, Ron" <rwilliams at wilkinson-mfg.com
> <mailto:rwilliams at wilkinson-mfg.com> >
>                 > To:   <discussion at nsrca.org <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
> >
>                 > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:37 PM
>                 > Subject:      RE: Masters 2005 Options
>                 >
>                 >
>                         > > I try to stay out of this type of discussion and
> just fly
>                 > pattern.  That
>                 > is why you most likely have never seen my name post here.
> I have
>                 > followedthis list for several years and could not keep
> quit any
>                 > longer.  I want to
>                 > thank Troy for saying publicly what I feel several people
> are saying
>                 > privately.  I am one of the people who are no longer a
> current
>                 > member of the
>                 > NSRCA but do fly pattern, attend several contests a year
> and
>                 > belong to the
>                 > AMA.  Troy is correct.  The goal of the NSRCA is to
> promote the
>                 > future of RC
>                 > Aerobatics.  This is not what I feel has been the focus
> the last
>                 > few years.
>                 > The last time the patterns were changed a back room deal
> was made
>                 > by the
>                 > leadership of the NSRCA to change the membership-approved
>                 > patterns.  The
>                 > explanation was that it had to be done or it would not
> have
>                 > passed.  To me
>                 > this was an insult to anyone flying in that class that our
>
>                 > leadership agreed
>                 > with.  There are several times on that comments are made
> on this list
>                 > stating that people like myself who do not belong to the
> NSRCA
>                 > should have
>                 > no say in the future direction.  No wonder people think we
> feel we are
>                 > better than everyone else.
>                         > >
>                         > > I agree with Troy, anyone who belongs to the AMA
> should be able
>                 > to present
>                 > a set of maneuvers to the AMA for approval.   The current
>                 > president of the
>                 > NSRCA going on a public list chastising this individual
> for doing
>                 > this is
>                 > wrong.  We need to promote the hobby to new people not
> promote
>                 > personalagendas.  Our local area is also growing like Troy
>
>                 > mentions his is.  I can
>                 > also tell you that most of them have no idea who the NSRCA
> is or
>                 > care.  They
>                 > are AMA members who want to fly aerobatics.  Hopefully the
> NSRCA
>                 > will soon
>                 > return to better times and we can begin to promote the
> hobby not
>                 > try to take
>                 > it over.  I agree, our future is bright and all the new
> equipment
>                 > keepsmaking it better.
>                         > >
>                         > > This message is not intended to upset anyone or
> is it intended
>                 > to be a
>                 > personal attack on anyone.  I hope it does not come across
> as
>                 > such.  It is
>                 > just my opinion.
>                         > >
>                         > > Ron Williams
>                 >
>                 >
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