Masters 2005 Options

Tomanek, Wojtek tomanekw at saic-abingdon.com
Thu Oct 24 13:31:43 AKDT 2002


Cool

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Tony Stillman [SMTP:tony at radiosouthrc.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:22 PM
	To:	discussion at nsrca.org
	Subject:	Re: Masters 2005 Options

	A list, as such, already exhists.  It is used in FAI to pick the
"finals
	Unknown" pattern.

	Tony Stillman
	Radio South, Inc.
	3702 N. Pace Blvd.
	Pensacola, Fl 32505
	www.radiosouthrc.com
	800-962-7802
	----- Original Message -----
	From: "Tomanek, Wojtek" <tomanekw at saic-abingdon.com>
	To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
	Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:45 PM
	Subject: RE: Masters 2005 Options


	> Maybe in the future we can use a three step-process in selecting a
new
	> schedule for all AMA classes.   It would be very simple.
	>
	> 1) First lets the publish a list of all center and turnaround
	> maneuvers. The list should contain all currently flown maneuvers
and
	> maneuvers that have been flown in the past.  The pattern community
would
	be
	> asked to propose additional realistic but innovative maneuvers,
for
	instance
	> an avalanche from the top with a snap at the bottom, or a loop
with a roll
	> at the top - the possibilities are endless
	>
	> 2) Once a complete list is assembled for a given selection cycle,
it
	> would be submitted for another membership vote to select the
preferred
	> maneuvers for each class (401, 402, 403, and 404).
	>
	> 3) Finally, a committee would assemble these sets of maneuvers
into a
	> well "flowing" schedules for each class.  (I would expect that the
	selection
	> process would include field testing by pilots in an appropriate
class.
	>
	> In my opinion, the result will be set of schedules (401, 402, 403,
and
	404)
	> that majority of the pattern community will like because it will
contain
	the
	> most popular maneuvers, although the sequence may be drastically
different
	> form what we are used to.
	>
	> I believe that developing a single schedules with appropriate
difficulty
	and
	> interesting maneuvers for everyone is almost impossible because of
	enormous
	> possibilities of variations that a schedule can be developed,
hence there
	> will always be more than one opinion of what is better.  As an AMA
SIG,
	the
	> NSRCA would obviously conduct the polling/voting and final
schedule
	> selection.
	>
	> Just a proposal,
	>
	> Wojtek
	> NSRCA 1856
	>
	>
	>
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: glenn hatfield [SMTP:randy10926 at comcast.net]
	> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:45 PM
	> To: discussion at nsrca.org
	> Subject: Re: Masters 2005 Options
	>
	> I second the motion.
	> Randy
	>
	>
	> ----- Original Message -----
	> From: Lee Davis <lee at piedmontmodels.com
	> <mailto:lee at piedmontmodels.com> >
	> Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:33 pm
	> Subject: Re: Masters 2005 Options
	>
	> > I think it is *very* important for NSRCA to provide input
	> to AMA > for rules > and flight routines.  It is the one and only
voice
	for
	> Pattern > pilots as a > group.
	> >
	> > There was an announcement and time given months ago for
	> anyone to > submit routines for Masters on this very list.  A
number of
	them
	> > were discussed > right here.
	> >
	> > If someone wants to submit something else now, have at it,
	> it's > your right, > but no one was excluded from the process of
the
	current
	> submission > from NSRCA.
	> >
	> Ron, perhaps if you bothered to join NSRCA you would see the
	> vast > improvements made over the last several years to reach out
and >
	> promote to > the R/C modeling public at large.  I have the nothing
but
	> praise > for the > recent administration and staff.  I'm trying to
say
	> something that > doesn'tcome of as rude or petty, but Monday
morning
	> quarterbacks > comes to mind.
	>
	> > It's easy to criticize from the sidelines.
	> >
	> > Lee Davis
	> > Piedmont Models
	> > http://www.piedmontmodels.com/
	> <http://www.piedmontmodels.com/>
	> >
	> >
	> > ----- Original Message -----
	> > From: "Williams, Ron" <rwilliams at wilkinson-mfg.com
	> <mailto:rwilliams at wilkinson-mfg.com> >
	> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
	> >
	> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:37 PM
	> > Subject: RE: Masters 2005 Options
	> >
	> >
	> > > I try to stay out of this type of discussion and
	> just fly
	> > pattern.  That
	> > is why you most likely have never seen my name post here.
	> I have
	> > followedthis list for several years and could not keep
	> quit any
	> > longer.  I want to
	> > thank Troy for saying publicly what I feel several people
	> are saying
	> > privately.  I am one of the people who are no longer a
	> current
	> > member of the
	> > NSRCA but do fly pattern, attend several contests a year
	> and
	> > belong to the
	> > AMA.  Troy is correct.  The goal of the NSRCA is to
	> promote the
	> > future of RC
	> > Aerobatics.  This is not what I feel has been the focus
	> the last
	> > few years.
	> > The last time the patterns were changed a back room deal
	> was made
	> > by the
	> > leadership of the NSRCA to change the membership-approved
	> > patterns.  The
	> > explanation was that it had to be done or it would not
	> have
	> > passed.  To me
	> > this was an insult to anyone flying in that class that our
	>
	> > leadership agreed
	> > with.  There are several times on that comments are made
	> on this list
	> > stating that people like myself who do not belong to the
	> NSRCA
	> > should have
	> > no say in the future direction.  No wonder people think we
	> feel we are
	> > better than everyone else.
	> > >
	> > > I agree with Troy, anyone who belongs to the AMA
	> should be able
	> > to present
	> > a set of maneuvers to the AMA for approval.   The current
	> > president of the
	> > NSRCA going on a public list chastising this individual
	> for doing
	> > this is
	> > wrong.  We need to promote the hobby to new people not
	> promote
	> > personalagendas.  Our local area is also growing like Troy
	>
	> > mentions his is.  I can
	> > also tell you that most of them have no idea who the NSRCA
	> is or
	> > care.  They
	> > are AMA members who want to fly aerobatics.  Hopefully the
	> NSRCA
	> > will soon
	> > return to better times and we can begin to promote the
	> hobby not
	> > try to take
	> > it over.  I agree, our future is bright and all the new
	> equipment
	> > keepsmaking it better.
	> > >
	> > > This message is not intended to upset anyone or
	> is it intended
	> > to be a
	> > personal attack on anyone.  I hope it does not come across
	> as
	> > such.  It is
	> > just my opinion.
	> > >
	> > > Ron Williams
	> >
	> >
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