AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph

Wed Oct 2 07:52:22 AKDT 2002

How about trying this approach which may be more effective and get more
grass roots involvement as well as spread good image.  

We ask Eric to publish in MA in his column that NSRCA is sponsoring a long
term skill building program to introduce aerobatics to the all who would
like to listen and get involved.  This program would call for us (pattern
guys) to conduct either formal or informal aerobatics clinics at our local
and neighboring clubs for anyone who is interested to learn how to fly
aerobatics.  The issue here is to get on an agenda at you club meetings and
then advertise it locally to all members.  The format can be very simple
explain how maneuvers are to be flown, then demonstrate, then invite club
members to try, if they let you fly their  planes go ahead and show them
that they do not need a 2mx2m to do simple stuff.  Obviously start with
things like: straight flight (with some rudder control / wind corrections),
loops (two or three concurrent are a good one), stall turns, ½ or full Cuban
eighths, Immelmans, split S's, even landings and takeoffs, etc.,   Do not
attempt to force to fly sportsman or intermediate schedule unless someone
requests.  Let's get some folks with interests first.  A lot of people would
like to get more proficient in doing loops and rolls but they are not
necessarily ready to practice a complete schedule over and over and over.   

This will get us to talk to our club fellows about precession aerobatics,
planes, engines, trimming, construction techniques, etc.   Off season is a
perfect time to get something like that started.

What do you think???

Wojtek

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	David Harmon [SMTP:k6xyz at attbi.com]
	Sent:	Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:20 AM
	To:	discussion at nsrca.org
	Subject:	RE: AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph

	Eric...One basis would be hearsay? Slamming another SIG? I agree
with
	absolutely all 
	of Marty's comments. If the Pattern SIG does nothing, it would
appear as
	if we agreed 
	with Hurleys comments.
	If NSRCA was an advertiser in that magazine, I'll bet those comments
	would never have been 
	printed.

	Hurley must print a retraction or apology of some kind.

	Hopefully, NSRCA dues will remain the same or increase and the money
	hopefully saved with
	the next morphing of the KF can be used to advertise in magazine(s).
We
	simply must get the 
	word out about the NSRCA and the KF advertisers whose target market
is
	so tightly focused.
		Dave 586

	-----Original Message-----
	From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
	On Behalf Of Henderson,Eric
	Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:12 AM
	To: 'discussion at nsrca.org'
	Subject: RE: AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph

	Mike reported what he heard. What basis do we have for an apology?

	Eric.

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Larry Diamond [mailto:jed241 at email.msn.com]
	Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:59 PM
	To: discussion at nsrca.org
	Subject: Re: AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph

	Mike, I will second that...I have attended  couple contest in
California
	in the mid 80's when I first got the bug. This is from someone that
	carried that bug since and just now starting to get involved. I have
	attended a couple contest in D4 and most recently the D3
Championship
	contest.

	At the D3 Contest this past weekend, I learned what pattern was all
	about. I showed up and only knew one person that I met only once
before.
	He introduced me to Mike Dunphy and I met many others at the
contest.
	This was a class act and sets the standard of how a contest should
run.
	Everyone was very helpful and offered there help with any questions
or
	problems I might run into. Makes me wonder where the EGO problems
are. I
	haven't seen them -ever-!!! Only negative vibes came from an
IMACer....

	To be fair to Mike Hurley, I propose that Eric or an Officer of the
	NSRCA confront him with the voice of the NSRCA and request an
	explanation for the article. I feel that a retraction or an apology
is
	in order. I also recommend articles in Pattern columns with positive
	comments with out blasting at IMAC. We need to rise above it and
press
	on....

	Larry

	----- Original Message -----
	From: "Mike Hester" <kerlock at attbi.com>
	To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
	Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 2:29 PM
	Subject: Re: AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph

	I can answer that one for D3.

	As a relative newcomer, I can say with no reservations that from the
	very first contest, I have been treated with the utmost respect and
	comraderie. Everyone, including veteran master and FAI pilots, took
time
	to help me and make me feel at home. I didn't even have to ask, they
	just stepped over and made sure I was having fun and learning every
	flight.

	I've been to almost all of the D3 contests this year, (8), and all
of
	the people I met were great folks. Not a single jerk, that I can
	remember.

	I think it's each competitior's obligation to help the new guys,
even if
	they're the competition. I try and make sure they aren't standing
there
	wondering what to do, and I try and give as much advice as they
want.
	Even if they didn't bring a plane and are just curious.

	The face of the NSRCA begins and ends with each and every one of us.
We
	should all take personal responsibility to make sure new pilots
enjoy
	themselves enough to come back again and again. I have to wonder the
	full story behind that guy's comments if he felt so excluded at a
	pattern contest. I'd bet he wasn't in D3 lately.

	-Mike Hester

	----- Original Message -----
	From: "Henderson,Eric" <eric.henderson at gartner.com>
	To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
	Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:01 AM
	Subject: RE: AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph

	> The question still stands. Are we that bad now or have we got
better?
	>
	> The answer determines your next personal action.
	>
	> I'll tell you now that I have found IMAC contests to be less tense
and

	> the folks tended to be more gregarious. The only grief I have had
from

	> IMAC is over the noise level proposals that my wife signed.
	>
	> I will say that I could print anti-IMAC letters etc in my column,
but 
	> so
	far
	> I have not had any!!!
	>
	>
	>
	> E.
	>
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: Martin X. Moleski, SJ [mailto:moleski at canisius.edu]
	> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:54 PM
	> To: discussion at nsrca.org
	> Subject: Re: AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph
	>
	>
	> --On Monday, September 30, 2002 5:26 PM -0500 Larry Diamond 
	> <jed241 at email.msn.com> wrote:
	>
	> > The problem isn't that it was published. The problem is that it
ever

	> > happened in the first place. You can't stop all of it.
	>
	> It's not an either/or situation.
	>
	> Yes, the allegation, if true, indicates that some of us
	> may not be too hospitable to a newcomer during a contest.
	>
	> The publication of the allegation as a generalization is
stereotyping.

	> It is an offense in its own right. "Pattern guys--self-centered
and 
	> inhospitable; IMAC guys--good."
	>
	> In the 1980s, I rode my bike onto an RC field in
	> the vicinity of D.C.  The guys cussed at me in no
	> uncertain terms for endangering myself.  They
	> were surly and rude.  They answered my questions
	> about the hobby in monosyllables, if at all.
	>
	> I made two decisions that day.  One was to get into
	> the hobby when I finished my Ph.D.  The other was
	> to greet newcomers with an extended hand and a smile.
	> I've kept both resolutions.
	>
	> Marty
	>
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