Weight Limit problem long

Mon Nov 11 11:19:56 AKST 2002

Anthony,

I have found pylon racing to be about 1/4 the price of pattern.  At the
local level (sport Q500/Nelson Q500/Q40), the pressure to have the best
of the best is not there.  Many racers use their trusty old 4-6 channel
radios.  Airframes are far less complex and thanks to the Lanier
Predator (an ARF Q500), beginners have an easy way into the hobby (and
relatively inexpensive).  A few race with the latest composite airframes
in the Nelson class but most still use the cheaper foam/balsa models.
As far as motors, not much of a choice thanks to Nelson and Jett. Pay
the $$ and you get a complete setup just like the next guy - out of the
box these motors are competitive (at the local level).  A 5-year old
properly maintained Nelson will do just fine unlike the ever changing YS
scene.  No need for aftermarket mufflers or pumps, etc.  Finishes are
basic.  The speed still intimidates the beginner but we have a trainer
race (Cadets, etc) at each local contest. 

Summary:  I feel equipment is FAR LESS focused on in pylon racing and
allows newbies to focus more on their flying skills.

Kurt

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Anthony Romano
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:27 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: Weight Limit problem long

Kurt,
Please compare your time and expenses competing in both disciplines.

TIA

Anthony

>From: "Kurt Bozarth" <kurt at bozarthhomes.com>
>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Subject: RE: Weight Limit problem long
>Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:43:06 -0700
>
>Obviously not serious pylon racers.  Most practice where pylons are set

>up - practicing without the pylons (3-pole course) is like practicing a

>pattern sequence all by yourself - bad habits are built.
>
>Kurt
>Pattern and Pylon flier
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
>[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>On Behalf Of Adam Glatt
>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:01 AM
>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>Subject: Re: Weight Limit problem long
>
>
>At my field it is common to only see the pylon planes three times a
>year: Two nights before the local pylon contest, one night before the 
>local pylon contest, and during the contest.  They don't do any real 
>practicing and still think they are competing.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Sent: November 11, 2002 9:57 AM
>Subject: RE: Weight Limit problem long
>
>
> > Hi Wojtek,
> > Ask most IMAC guys how much they practice the sequences. Then ask 
> > how much freestyle they fly. Their answers will speak volumes. Used 
> > to have a guy
>who
> > was into pylon in my club always asked me why I spent all that time 
> > practicing.
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Tomanek, Wojtek" <tomanekw at saic-abingdon.com>
> > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >To: "'discussion at nsrca.org'" <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > >Subject: RE: Weight Limit problem long
> > >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:33:46 -0500
> > >
> > >Anthony
> > >
> > >Completely agree with you.  Cost is just an excuse that is a 
> > >convenient
>one
> > >because no one will ever question that.   The true cause for not
>wanting
>to
> > >join pattern is lack of discipline it takes to practice to be 
> > >proficient and competitive.  For instance a lot of people joined 
> > >IMAC
>
> > >because it was fun and even though they have similar judging rules 
> > >they were not implemented as strict as we do in pattern.  The IMAC 
> > >rules are changing and their
>judging
> > >is getting a lot stricter than it used to be.  Lets see how many 
> > >people will stick with it since it is getting to be a lot more 
> > >proficient flying type as opposed to just dong snaps and 
> > >waterfalls.  Until now it has been a
>lot
>of
> > >fun and games.   On the other hand yesterday I went to a combat
>contest -
> > >and yes it was fun to watch but that is as far as it goes.  But for

> > >a
>
> > >lot of RC'ers it has a lot of appeal because it does not take that 
> > >much skill to participate - you just boring holes in the sky.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Anthony Romano [SMTP:anthonyr105 at hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:18 AM
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Subject: Weight Limit problem long
> > >
> > > Hi Buddy,
> > > Here is my view. Just finished a new plane around $2000. Now, 
> > >being a  competitor, I build a new more complicated, larger, more 
> > >expensive plane to  take advantage of the rule change and replace 
> > >my now obsolete plane.
> > >
> > > Ignoring issue of gas such as smell, which now means I can't store

> > >planes in  the house and the wife won't come to the field, struggle

> > >with the sound  rule, can't fly at local field, etc.
> > > Now I am just a mediocre competitor and if I get a lot of time I
fly
> > >my
> > > pattern plane 200 times a year. Using your figures, maybe luck but
I
> > >never
> > > pay that much for fuel, I save $350 dollars. My new plane will be
> > >paid for
> > > in around FIVE years on the savings. Add in the cost of new field
> > >supplies,
> > > fire extinguisher, radio upgrade to run two elevator servos,
farther
> > >drive
> > > to field without noise limit, etc. Where is the savings?
> > > If this is the direction of pattern I am not interested and don't
> > >see how
> > > bigger more expensive planes will help anything. You guys are all
> > >killing me
> > > with the cost issue. The average guy at my local club has three or
> > >four 1.20
> > > size arfs with $1000 to $1200 dollars in each one. Look around on
> > >some of
> > > the message boards and see the number of people that are flying
and
> > >entering
> > > giant scale. The number of people looking to spend $3000 and up on
a
> > >bigger
> > > planes is astounding.
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Buddy Brammer" <buddybrammer35 at hotmail.com>
> > > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >Subject: Re: Weight Limit
> > > >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:53:03 -0600
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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