[NSRCA-dist8] [External] Re: Radio set-up

Tue Oct 26 06:43:27 AKDT 2021

Flying mode 2, I have the back left switch set as a kill switch. When it’s forward, the motor is live. After I land, (every flight) I flip the switch off and hold it (off) with my index finger while holding the throttle off with my thumb. Overkill? Maybe, Maybe not. 

To me, a kill switch is right up there with checking your fail safe. Speaking of fail safe, you can not turn off the transmitter of a Graupner MZ32 or MZ18 until the receiver is turned off first (maybe others in their line as well?). Now that’s great engineering. 

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> On Oct 26, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Karl Watts <Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org> wrote:
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> Aaaaahhhh, OK, good point!
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> From: Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 8:29 AM
> To: Karl Watts <Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org>
> Cc: Bob Crump <bob.crump at yahoo.com>; AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] [External] Re: Radio set-up
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> Yep. No need for a kill switch until you or someone else accidentally bumps the throttle. 
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> On Oct 26, 2021, at 8:00 AM, Karl Watts <Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org> wrote:
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> What?  A kill switch on an electric motor?  Just throttle all the way down.
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> From: Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 10:41 PM
> To: Karl Watts <Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org>
> Cc: Bob Crump <bob.crump at yahoo.com>; AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] [External] Re: Radio set-up
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> I think the most important switch we fail to discuss is a KILL switch. 
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> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 8:57 PM Karl Watts <Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org> wrote:
> Just need to try different configurations and see what is the most comfortable then.  Yes, keep it simple!  I do not want to flip switches a lot, will forget.  Have been experimenting with rate switches this summer.  I think the best would maybe to have just one switch, less confusion, maybe that can be for snaps and spins .  Then maybe another flight condition switch for normal flight and landing.
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> From: NSRCA-dist8 <nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> On Behalf Of Bob Crump via NSRCA-dist8
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] [External] Re: Radio set-up
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> The trick is “getting used to it”. I think everyone is different and I fly with a different tray setup than Pat does and sometimes finding the right switch is a challenge. As another suggestion if you have any IMAC guys in your area ask one of them how they set up their switches, rates, mixing, expo etc. I’ve always subscribed to the keep it simple approach I’m not as ambidextrous as Pat.
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> On Oct 25, 2021, at 10:45 AM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Once you get used to switches it becomes second nature. I always put my rate switch just above my right stick (mode 2). As soon as I do a snap roll, I turn the switch off with a flick of the back of my index finger. It's also in the perfect position for turning it off for the spin again with a fast flip of the index finger. 
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> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 11:40 AM Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Karl,
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> For spins I switch to full up and down elevator. I flip the switch before spin entry to be able to get the nose up for the stall. Once it stalls and the nose drops, I flip the switch off as I don't want the full elevator for the spin. I spin at normal flying rates. 
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> For snaps, I want full or close to full aileron, a hair less rudder and elevator from normal flying rates. 
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> For Advanced you will be fine with just dual rates, one for snaps and maybe one for spin entry. You will only have to flip one switch one or two times at most in Advanced. 
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> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 11:09 AM Lyle Laughery via NSRCA-dist8 <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> I use three switches, one for down elevator for right rudder ,point and slow roll and one for high rate elevator for spin and then switch both of for landing.Then final switch for throttle cut after landing.
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> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 9:59 AM Bob Crump via NSRCA-dist8 <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> I’ve tried all the above, rate switching, mode switching and I invariably forget to flip the switch. I’m in Jim’s camp now. After several flights on a new airplane I put in enough exponential to get a satisfactory snap and go with it. One change recently was to switch out any mixing when setting up for landing. I even forget that sometimes. I would use whatever your most comfortable with, Switching versus expo.
> Regards, Bob 
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> On Oct 25, 2021, at 9:40 AM, Karl Watts via NSRCA-dist8 <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Thanks for feedback Pat and Jim.  Maybe should give more information.  Looking at moving to Advanced next year.  Snaps and spins will be new.  Trying to determine which will be better a rate switch or flight condition switch.  Guess I will need to try them and figure it out, but does not hurt to know what others are doing.    (Pat, just discovered the Phase Set on my Graupner MZ-24 this weekend)  Also what kind of throws do you use between normal flight, snaps and spins?
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> I use both. I use a rate switch for snaps and spins. I use a condition switch (Phase Set in Graupner MZ32 and MZ16) Phase set will allow different servo sub trims and end points. For instance.....I use a Phase Set called "Landing". When I flip that (Landing) switch. it removes the down elevator to low throttle mix, gives me a hair of up elevator trim, and increases the up elevator throw a bit. Phase Set is like having two radios in one (at least that's how the MZ32 and MZ16 work). Your Mileage May Vary. 
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> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 8:31 AM Karl Watts via NSRCA-dist8 <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Rate switch or flight condition switch?
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