[NSRCA-dist8] Red Apple Pattern Contest

Thu May 22 09:13:16 AKDT 2014

Keep in mind that this only pertains to FAI Schedule P and F. All AMA
classes are still judged as we have been in the past.....Immelmans are
squares, centering on rolls, etc.

This is why we in the US need to just go by FAI guide lines. We can still
do 1/2 points, but it would sure make life easier for the judges. It's bad
enough trying to keep straight immediate reversal of rolls in FAI.

Who's on first?

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Arthur F. Kelly <afkelly25 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'll opt for the FAI rules. I've got a better chance with the way I fly
> the Immelman X 2.
>
> On May 21, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Patrick Harris wrote:
>
> Gentlemen,,
>
> We have a very important judging issue that needs to be addressed. In the
> June K Factor proof, the Judging Committee took a reversed stance on how a
> few FAI maneuvers are to be judged. I will go over this at Wenatchee for
> the folks that don't receive this email. Here is the article:
>
> For this month’s column we have a few important clarifications to
> make for certain FAI maneuvers. We learned of these issues from
> the F3A Sub-committee chairman at the AOC F3A Competition
> in Thailand. We then did some research with our compatriots
> in Europe and the rest of the world. We decided it was very
> important to align ourselves with the rest of the FAI community
> in the world and to get this information out as quickly as possible
> so that all of our pilots and judges could digest this before our
> Nationals and Team Selection event in July.
> First, for the FAI Golf Ball maneuver (P15 and F15) we have stated
> that the rolls on the 45° up/down lines must be centered on the
> line segments AND centered on the center pole. After carefully
> looking at the geometry and drawing a lot of pictures we realize we
> were mistaken! The rolls MUST be centered on the line segments
> that they are contained in, this might or might not mean that the
> rolls will be centered on the center pole. In several “normal” loop
> size drawings that we have made, they are not centered on the
> center pole, they are offset slightly. Depending on the radius of the
> loop segments the rolls can properly occur before, at or after the
> intersection of the two line segments. As judges we must simply
> verify that the roll element is in the center of the line segment
> that contains it. Of course the apex of the ¾ loop segment must
> be over the center pole for proper centering of the maneuver.
>
> The second clarification concerns the Double Immelman
> maneuver that is in both the P15 and the F15 sequences. Under
> AMA rules a Double Immelman maneuver is defined as a square
> with half loop segments on each end and that is the way we have
> been writing about and recommending judging these maneuvers
> in FAI. The FAI maneuver however is defined differently; it has no
> express relationship between the horizontal line segments and
> the half loop diameter. Thus, this maneuver can be wider than it
> is tall or taller than it is wide with no geometry downgrade. Bear
> in mind though that other downgrades we have mentioned are
> still applicable, rolls must begin immediately after loop segments,
> loops must be round with no flat spots, etc…
> The third clarification is closely related to the second. This
> concerns the center Top Hat maneuver in P15. In AMA rules a
> center Top Hat is defined as 3 legs of a square. That is the vertical
> legs must be equal to the horizontal leg. Again, the FAI rules do
> not state this. Therefore, in FAI, a center Top Hat shall have both
> vertical legs the same length but there is no required relationship
> to the horizontal leg. I.e. it can be wide and short or tall and skinny
> with no geometry downgrade as long as the vertical legs are the
> same length.
>
> We hope that this clarifies the proper judging of these maneuvers
> for you. Please remember, these clarifications are for FAI only! The
> AMA rules require that a center Top Hat be 3 sides of a square
> and a Double Immelman be a square with half loop segments on
> each end when flown in an AMA pattern class.
> Remember; never take your eyes off the plane when judging…
> Keep your wings level!
>
> See you guys in a few days.
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:48 AM, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>>  Thanks Gordon. I forgot all about pre-registering.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
>> nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of *Gordon Anderson
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:09 AM
>> *To:* AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY
>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-dist8] Red Apple Pattern Contest
>>
>>
>>
>> This Memorial Day weekend is the D8 Pattern season opening contest held
>> in Wenatchee Washington. You can find all the details on the NSRCA we site
>> at this link: http://nsrca.us/index.php/d8-contest-schedule/2014
>>
>>
>>
>> If you plan to attend this contest please register using the link
>> provided on the NSRCA web site. This helps us accelerate the contest setup.
>>
>>
>>
>> If your flying FAI you will want to checkout this link for details on how
>> this class is flown in D8:
>> http://nsrca.us/index.php/d8-contest-schedule/contest-details
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope to see you in Wenatchee this weekend!
>>
>>
>>
>> --Gordon
>>
>>
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