<div dir="ltr">Keep in mind that this only pertains to FAI Schedule P and F. All AMA classes are still judged as we have been in the past.....Immelmans are squares, centering on rolls, etc. <div><br></div><div>This is why we in the US need to just go by FAI guide lines. We can still do 1/2 points, but it would sure make life easier for the judges. It's bad enough trying to keep straight immediate reversal of rolls in FAI. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Who's on first?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Arthur F. Kelly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:afkelly25@gmail.com" target="_blank">afkelly25@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I'll opt for the FAI rules. I've got a better chance with the way I fly the Immelman X 2.<div>
<div class="h5"><br><div><div>On May 21, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Patrick Harris wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Gentlemen,,</div><div><br></div><div>We have a very important judging issue that needs to be addressed. In the June K Factor proof, the Judging Committee took a reversed stance on how a few FAI maneuvers are to be judged. I will go over this at Wenatchee for the folks that don't receive this email. Here is the article:</div>
<div><br></div><div>For this month’s column we have a few important clarifications to </div><div>make for certain FAI maneuvers. We learned of these issues from </div><div>the F3A Sub-committee chairman at the AOC F3A Competition </div>
<div>in Thailand. We then did some research with our compatriots </div><div>in Europe and the rest of the world. We decided it was very </div><div>important to align ourselves with the rest of the FAI community </div><div>
in the world and to get this information out as quickly as possible </div><div>so that all of our pilots and judges could digest this before our </div><div>Nationals and Team Selection event in July. </div><div>First, for the FAI Golf Ball maneuver (P15 and F15) we have stated </div>
<div>that the rolls on the 45° up/down lines must be centered on the </div><div>line segments AND centered on the center pole. After carefully </div><div>looking at the geometry and drawing a lot of pictures we realize we </div>
<div>were mistaken! The rolls MUST be centered on the line segments </div><div>that they are contained in, this might or might not mean that the </div><div>rolls will be centered on the center pole. In several “normal” loop </div>
<div>size drawings that we have made, they are not centered on the </div><div>center pole, they are offset slightly. Depending on the radius of the </div><div>loop segments the rolls can properly occur before, at or after the </div>
<div>intersection of the two line segments. As judges we must simply </div><div>verify that the roll element is in the center of the line segment </div><div>that contains it. Of course the apex of the ¾ loop segment must </div>
<div>be over the center pole for proper centering of the maneuver.</div><div><br></div><div><div>The second clarification concerns the Double Immelman </div><div>maneuver that is in both the P15 and the F15 sequences. Under </div>
<div>AMA rules a Double Immelman maneuver is defined as a square </div><div>with half loop segments on each end and that is the way we have </div><div>been writing about and recommending judging these maneuvers </div><div>
in FAI. The FAI maneuver however is defined differently; it has no </div><div>express relationship between the horizontal line segments and </div><div>the half loop diameter. Thus, this maneuver can be wider than it </div>
<div>is tall or taller than it is wide with no geometry downgrade. Bear </div><div>in mind though that other downgrades we have mentioned are </div><div>still applicable, rolls must begin immediately after loop segments, </div>
<div>loops must be round with no flat spots, etc…</div><div>The third clarification is closely related to the second. This </div><div>concerns the center Top Hat maneuver in P15. In AMA rules a </div><div>center Top Hat is defined as 3 legs of a square. That is the vertical </div>
<div>legs must be equal to the horizontal leg. Again, the FAI rules do </div><div>not state this. Therefore, in FAI, a center Top Hat shall have both </div><div>vertical legs the same length but there is no required relationship </div>
<div>to the horizontal leg. I.e. it can be wide and short or tall and skinny </div><div>with no geometry downgrade as long as the vertical legs are the </div><div>same length.</div></div><div><br></div><div><div>We hope that this clarifies the proper judging of these maneuvers </div>
<div>for you. Please remember, these clarifications are for FAI only! The </div><div>AMA rules require that a center Top Hat be 3 sides of a square </div><div>and a Double Immelman be a square with half loop segments on </div>
<div>each end when flown in an AMA pattern class.</div><div>Remember; never take your eyes off the plane when judging… </div><div>Keep your wings level!</div></div><div><br></div><div>See you guys in a few days.</div><div>
<br></div><div>Pat</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:48 AM, J N Hiller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" target="_blank">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-dist8] Red Apple
Pattern Contest</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">
<font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">This Memorial
Day weekend is the D8 Pattern season opening contest held in Wenatchee
Washington. You can find all the details on the NSRCA we site at this
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flying FAI you will want to checkout this link for details on how this class is
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