[NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern
Steve Sterling
WA7DUH at sgsterling.com
Wed Feb 19 19:44:53 AKST 2014
OK-- will this be a classic pattern airplane contest, or classic
aerobatic schedule/style contest?
The classic pattern airplanes were designed to score well with the
classic schedule and judging criteria. The were fast and streamlined,
and you whipped through each maneuver in 3-5 seconds, then out of the
box. With turnaround, our models necessarily morphed into large
slab-sided bloat-boxes looking more like a flounder than an airplane
that crawl slowly through the air like a bulldozer just to stay in the
box as they flip and flap through 32 segments that now define a single
aerobatic maneuver-- example "Figure 9 with consecutive four ¼ rolls up,
¾ loop with roll integrated in top 180°, full left and right snaps in
the bottom of 180"
So who cares what airplane someone brings? Let's see that 3-D ARF make a
150 mph slow roll or a figure M in 5 seconds!
Its all for fun anyway. I got a Pletenburg that should move my Hippo
Tippo right along.
Steve
On 2/19/2014 6:00 PM, Patrick Harris wrote:
> The bottom line is we all know pretty much what a classic plane looks
> like and a 3d ARF ain't it. We can rule this thing to death if we
> aren't careful.
>
> Rex do you know how the boys in D7 deal with this?
>
> My thoughts are pretty much in line with what Gary had in mind when he
> brought this idea to us in the first place, which was something like
> 60 size or smaller designed 1980 (insert year appropriate) or earlier.
>
> I still think a "year" designed and earlier clarifies the issue pretty
> well.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:03 PM, astropuppy <astropuppy at gmail.com
> <mailto:astropuppy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Alan has a point. I'm trying to figure out what to say to the guy
> who wants to enter with a 40 size 3D plane. Which leads to
> thinking about how many people are going to enter.
>
>
> We will be flying classic at the Boise contest. North to South
> facing west. Takeoffs and landings will not be scored because the
> sun will be in the BOX. You have to sneak in under it; or do what
> I do: takeoff and land in opposite directions.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:54 PM, alan wellentin
> <a_wellentin at yahoo.com <mailto:a_wellentin at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> It looks to me like there are two different things going on
> here. There's a run what you brung which would essentially
> mean pretty much anything 60 size and smaller would compete.
> Then there's the "classic pattern". Honestly, I'm not
> planning on putting another plane in the air, it's going to be
> tough enough to keep myself flying and get Nicole flying if
> she gets motivated, so to me it doesn't really matter, but,
> I'm afraid if your going to say pretty much anything goes,
> then, anything needs to go. If your going to say classic
> pattern, then, classic pattern it is.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:41 PM, Patrick Harris
> <harris7148 at gmail.com <mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Under the laid out guide line, I would say Yes it would be OK,
> but the intent is to keep it to Old School. To me a 3D ARF of
> modern design does not fit the "Old School" criteria. This
> stuff isn't in stone so we can still adjust as we go. Any
> thoughts from everyone on how to write this is most
> appreciated. Like Jim, said we don't want to alienate anyone,
> but we do need some sort of guideline.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gail & Robert Walker
> <grbwii at comcast.net <mailto:grbwii at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Pat,
> Just checking, but would that mean that I could use my
> electric Katanna(SP)? You say it fly at Dusters the other
> day. I would have to tone the throws down a bit, but it
> seems to fit your specs?
> Bob W
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Patrick Harris <mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Ray Gauthier <mailto:rc.gauthier at comcast.net>
> *Cc:* AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY
> <mailto:nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> ; Brad Burden
> <mailto:bburden1959 at gmail.com> ; Bob Walker
> <mailto:grbwii at comcast.net> ; Rudy
> <mailto:whyRudy at comcast.net> ; Rick Bergeron
> <mailto:ribergeron at comcast.net> ; alan wellentin
> <mailto:a_wellentin at yahoo.com> ; Arthur F. Kelly
> <mailto:afkelly25 at gmail.com> ; Bill Carder
> <mailto:BC3662 at aol.com> ; Gary McClellan
> <mailto:gary at raystowing.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Classic Pattern
>
> Very cool
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Raymond C. Gauthier
> <rc.gauthier at comcast.net
> <mailto:rc.gauthier at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> A pic of the Dalotel is attached. Pretty cool eh?
> __________________________________________
> I'm hoping I have something old hanging in the
> garage that would fill the bill. I know I have a
> scale French aerobatic airplane, a Dalotel, which
> is the right size and pretty much in flyable (wet
> power) condition. When I'm back in town I'll have
> to dig it out and see how it flies the Novice pattern.
> Ray
> *From:*Patrick Harris [mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com
> <mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:53 PM
> *To:* Ray Gauthier
> *Cc:* AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Brad Burden; Bob
> Walker; Rudy; Rick Bergeron; alan wellentin;
> Arthur F. Kelly; Bill Carder; Gary McClellan
> *Subject:* Re: Classic Pattern
> Ray,
> Yes. By saying 60 size that pretty much limits you
> to pre 80's planes. Are we going to turn away a
> guy that walks up with a little Osiris? The way
> it's written, no we wouldn't turn him away, but I
> think this is going to be a non issue or
> infrequent if at all. . We need to keep this real
> simple and have fun.
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Raymond C.
> Gauthier <rc.gauthier at comcast.net
> <mailto:rc.gauthier at comcast.net>> wrote:
> Does no year restrictions mean any airplane that
> fits the size and power guidelines?
> *From:*Patrick Harris [mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com
> <mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:47 AM
> *To:* AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Brad Burden; Bob
> Walker; Ray Gauthier; Rudy; Rick Bergeron; alan
> wellentin; Arthur F. Kelly; Bill Carder; Gary
> McClellan
> *Subject:* Classic Pattern
> Just a quick update. I have had a few question
> from a couple of CD's in regards to Classic
> pattern this year. The bottom line is we do this
> is to have fun and we don't want to load this up
> with a bunch of rules.
> Long story short, here are the only criteria. Keep
> in mind we will likely tweak this as we go:
> No year restrictions
> 60 class planes or smaller
> 6 cell maximum for electrics
> That's it. We will fly two schedules this year
> which are Novice and Advanced which can be found here;
> http://www.classicpatternassociation.com/uploads/CPA_call_card.pdf
> At some of our contest we will fly classic
> Saturday and Sunday in the mornings due to sun
> issues (Woodburn, Redmond). At fields like Molalla
> that we can fly turnaround by 8:00, we will fly
> classic on Saturday after turnaround and it's the
> discretion of the CD to fly classic on Sunday. My
> guess is for those fields we will fly classic on
> Saturday only to get guys on the road Sunday.
> Also, Gordon has been at it again with a great new
> feature on the D8 site. No longer will you have to
> search in vane for upcoming events to preregister
> on the NSRCA calendar. All you will need to do is
> click on the 2014 schedule on the D8 site and you
> will find an info link and a link to the calendar
> for preregistration. By the way, it is a great
> help to the CD"s and Gordon to preregister to all
> contest you plan to attend. Again, my thanks to
> Gordon. Without him, we wouldn't be where we are.
> If you have questions or concerns, email or give
> me a call.
> 503-454-0381
> Pat
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