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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">OK-- will this be a classic pattern
airplane contest, or classic aerobatic schedule/style contest?<br>
<br>
The classic pattern airplanes were designed to score well with the
classic schedule and judging criteria. The were fast and
streamlined, and you whipped through each maneuver in 3-5 seconds,
then out of the box. With turnaround, our models necessarily
morphed into large slab-sided bloat-boxes looking more like a
flounder than an airplane that crawl slowly through the air like a
bulldozer just to stay in the box as they flip and flap through 32
segments that now define a single aerobatic maneuver-- example
"Figure 9 with consecutive four ¼ rolls up, ¾ loop with roll
integrated in top 180°, full left and right snaps in the bottom of
180"<br>
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So who cares what airplane someone brings? Let's see that 3-D ARF
make a 150 mph slow roll or a figure M in 5 seconds!<br>
<br>
Its all for fun anyway. I got a Pletenburg that should move my
Hippo Tippo right along.<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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<div>The bottom line is we all know pretty much what a classic
plane looks like and a 3d ARF ain't it. We can rule this thing
to death if we aren't careful.<br>
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<div>Rex do you know how the boys in D7 deal with this?</div>
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<div>My thoughts are pretty much in line with what Gary had in
mind when he brought this idea to us in the first place, which
was something like 60 size or smaller designed 1980 (insert
year appropriate) or earlier. </div>
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<div>I still think a "year" designed and earlier clarifies the
issue pretty well. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Alan has a point. I'm trying to figure out
what to say to the guy who wants to enter with a 40 size
3D plane. Which leads to thinking about how many people
are going to enter.
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<div>We will be flying classic at the Boise contest. North
to South facing west. Takeoffs and landings will not be
scored because the sun will be in the BOX. You have to
sneak in under it; or do what I do: takeoff and land in
opposite directions.</div>
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<span>It looks to me like there are two
different things going on here. There's a
run what you brung which would essentially
mean pretty much anything 60 size and
smaller would compete. Then there's the
"classic pattern". Honestly, I'm not
planning on putting another plane in the
air, it's going to be tough enough to keep
myself flying and get Nicole flying if she
gets motivated, so to me it doesn't really
matter, but, I'm afraid if your going to
say pretty much anything goes, then,
anything needs to go. If your going to
say classic pattern, then, classic pattern
it is.</span></div>
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3:41 PM, Patrick Harris <<a
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<div>Under the laid out
guide line, I would say
Yes it would be OK, but
the intent is to keep it
to Old School. To me a 3D
ARF of modern design does
not fit the "Old School"
criteria. This stuff isn't
in stone so we can still
adjust as we go. Any
thoughts from everyone on
how to write this is most
appreciated. Like Jim,
said we don't want to
alienate anyone, but we do
need some sort of
guideline.</div>
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<div>On Wed, Feb 19, 2014
at 2:09 PM, Gail &
Robert Walker <span
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face="Arial">
Just checking,
but would that
mean that I
could use my
electric
Katanna(SP)? You
say it fly at
Dusters the
other day. I
would have to
tone the throws
down a bit, but
it seems to fit
your specs?</font></div>
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arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="harris7148@gmail.com" href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com"
rel="nofollow"
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target="_blank">Patrick
Harris</a> </div>
<div
style="font:10pt/normal
arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="rc.gauthier@comcast.net" href="mailto:rc.gauthier@comcast.net"
rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
target="_blank">Ray
Gauthier</a> </div>
<div
style="font:10pt/normal
arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>Cc:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org"
href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org"
rel="nofollow"
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target="_blank">AK,
ID, MT, OR,
WA, WY</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="bburden1959@gmail.com"
href="mailto:bburden1959@gmail.com"
rel="nofollow"
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Burden</a> ; <a
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; <a
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Bergeron</a> ;
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arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday,
February 19,
2014 12:21 PM</div>
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arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
Classic
Pattern</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Very
cool
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<div>On Wed,
Feb 19, 2014
at 12:19 PM,
Raymond C.
Gauthier <span
dir="ltr"><<a
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wrote:<br
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<div><span
style="color:rgb(148,54,52);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">A
pic of the
Dalotel is
attached.
Pretty cool
eh?</span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(148,54,52);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">__________________________________________</span></div>
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<div><span
style="color:rgb(148,54,52);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(148,54,52);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I’m
hoping I have
something old
hanging in the
garage that
would fill the
bill. I know
I have a scale
French
aerobatic
airplane, a
Dalotel, which
is the right
size and
pretty much in
flyable (wet
power)
condition.
When I’m back
in town I’ll
have to dig it
out and see
how it flies
the Novice
pattern.</span></div>
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style="color:rgb(148,54,52);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(148,54,52);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Ray</span></div>
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<div><b><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">
Patrick Harris
[mailto:<a
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<div><b>Sent:</b>
Wednesday,
February 19,
2014 12:53 PM<br
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<b>To:</b> Ray
Gauthier<br
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<b>Cc:</b> AK,
ID, MT, OR,
WA, WY; Brad
Burden; Bob
Walker; Rudy;
Rick Bergeron;
alan
wellentin;
Arthur F.
Kelly; Bill
Carder; Gary
McClellan<br
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<b>Subject:</b>
Re: Classic
Pattern
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<div>Ray,</div>
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<div>
<div>Yes. By
saying 60 size
that pretty
much limits
you to pre
80's planes.
Are we going
to turn away a
guy that walks
up with a
little Osiris?
The way it's
written, no we
wouldn't turn
him away, but
I think this
is going to be
a non issue or
infrequent if
at all. . We
need to keep
this real
simple and
have fun.</div>
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<div>On Wed,
Feb 19, 2014
at 10:53 AM,
Raymond C.
Gauthier <<a
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rel="nofollow"
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target="_blank">rc.gauthier@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div><span
style="color:rgb(148,54,52);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Does
no year
restrictions
mean any
airplane that
fits the size
and power
guidelines?</span></div>
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style="color:rgb(148,54,52);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </div>
<div><b><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">
Patrick Harris
[mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
target="_blank">harris7148@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b>
Wednesday,
February 19,
2014 11:47 AM<br
clear="none">
<b>To:</b> AK,
ID, MT, OR,
WA, WY; Brad
Burden; Bob
Walker; Ray
Gauthier;
Rudy; Rick
Bergeron; alan
wellentin;
Arthur F.
Kelly; Bill
Carder; Gary
McClellan<br
clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b>
Classic
Pattern</span></div>
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<div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>Just a
quick update.
I have had a
few question
from a couple
of CD's in
regards to
Classic
pattern this
year. The
bottom line is
we do this is
to have fun
and we don't
want to load
this up with a
bunch of
rules. </div>
<div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>Long
story short,
here are the
only criteria.
Keep in mind
we will likely
tweak this as
we go:</div>
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<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>No year
restrictions</div>
</div>
<div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>60 class
planes or
smaller</div>
</div>
<div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>6 cell
maximum for
electrics</div>
</div>
<div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>That's
it. We will
fly two
schedules this
year which are
Novice and
Advanced which
can be found
here;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div> </div>
</div>
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<div><a
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href="http://www.classicpatternassociation.com/uploads/CPA_call_card.pdf"
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<div>
<div>At some
of our contest
we will fly
classic
Saturday and
Sunday in the
mornings due
to sun issues
(Woodburn,
Redmond). At
fields like
Molalla that
we can fly
turnaround by
8:00, we will
fly classic on
Saturday after
turnaround and
it's the
discretion of
the CD to fly
classic on
Sunday. My
guess is for
those fields
we will fly
classic on
Saturday only
to get guys on
the road
Sunday. </div>
</div>
<div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>Also,
Gordon has
been at it
again with a
great new
feature on the
D8 site. No
longer will
you have to
search in vane
for upcoming
events to
preregister on
the NSRCA
calendar. All
you will need
to do is click
on the 2014
schedule on
the D8 site
and you will
find an info
link and a
link to the
calendar for
preregistration.
By the way, it
is a great
help to the
CD"s and
Gordon to
preregister to
all contest
you plan to
attend. Again,
my thanks to
Gordon.
Without him,
we wouldn't be
where we are.
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>If you
have questions
or concerns,
email or give
me a call.</div>
</div>
<div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div><a
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rel="nofollow"
shape="rect">503-454-0381</a></div>
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<div>Pat</div>
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