[NSRCA-dist8] Senior Division

Tue Oct 2 12:53:50 AKDT 2012

I think it would be fun to try the Seniors Division next year.

Bill

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From: Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com>
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So now that most of you have had a while to think about this, here are the options.

"1" Leave the system as is

"2" Set our system up as IMAC does with a "Seniors Division" only

"3" Set up our system per "Seniors Division",  but open to all ages.

"4" Integrate both.

If we go with "3", what do we call it?

Ideas...input

Pat Harris

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Dennis Cone <patternpilot25 at gmail.com> wrote:

Well I used Linda's iPhone and it made me 120. I like mine better.
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On Sep 26, 2012 8:23 PM, "Gordon Anderson" <gaa at owt.com> wrote:

Hey Dennis,

You must be counting your age base 16, or maybe you are using that samsung not so smartphone to figure out your age... dude, get an iPhone!

--Gordon

On Sep 26, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Dennis Cone <patternpilot25 at gmail.com> wrote:

Well I guess this just leaves me out. I won’t be 55 for a few more years.

From: nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of trexlesh at msn.com
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But I'm so young!    ...and shy

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From: "Dennis Cone" <patternpilot25 at gmail.com>
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Subject: [NSRCA-dist8] Senior Division
Date: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:24 am

Age handicap? That’s not fair. It gives Rex a big lead.

From: nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of trexlesh at msn.com
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Mind your elders, young man!

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From: "astropuppy" <astropuppy at gmail.com>
To: "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY" <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: [NSRCA-dist8] Senior Division
Date: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:16 pm

For the record, even though I am younger then Rex; I will be 55 next year.

Another idea would be to use pilot age for handicapping. Something simple: Calculate the adjusted score by taking flight percentage as Pat outline then multiplying it times the pilots age. 

Mike 

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Gordon Anderson <gaa at owt.com> wrote:

Pat,

I agree, it adds another element of competition and all it takes is a little more reporting. I see no reason not to do it, you should write up the idea and send it to Rex to publish in the K-Factor! Other districts may want to try the same thing.

--Gordon

On Sep 25, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> wrote:

Gordon,

Actually Mike's idea has a lot of merit as well. By including all ages, it creates a contest within a contest. Besides, It's the only way I'll ever be able to beat Alex! For most of the year, Dick flying Sportsman by himself, would of had a chance to beat guys in all other classes, Pretty interesting.

Pat

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Gordon Anderson <gaa at owt.com> wrote:

Pat,

This would be pretty easy to do. I think I can easily add this to the existing program. I will work on this and have it ready for next season, its basically just a reporting issue, the only new data I need is age.

Cool idea.

--Gordon

On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> wrote:

At the Richland contest, I discussed with a few attendees, the possibility of introducing a Seniors Division into our events such as IMAC does.

Some of you may be aware of a gentleman by the name of Ron Smith (AKA Captain Kaos).  Ron has been around the pattern scene for many years (thus the AKA name). Ron was instrumental in working with IMAC to set up the current Seniors Division, first introduced a few years ago in the IMAC Pacific Northwest District. IMAC has now rolled out this program on a nationwide basis.

I have been in contact with Ron and he is excited at the possibility of introducing a similar program into Pattern. Ron has stressed he will be of help in any way he can.

The mechanics of this program are very straight forward. First off, IMAC uses age 55 or older as their cutoff (I think that pretty much includes all of us). In a nutshell, what they do is use the “percentage of possible points” per round compared to all other competitors’ scores. By doing this, you are competing with all other contestants, regardless of their class. So in other words, if a Sportsman flew a round and received 75% of the total points available for that class, he would finish higher versus a Master’s pilot scoring 74% of the total points available.

Gordon’s spreadsheet is already calculating a “percentage of points”, so I trust it would not be too difficult to integrate it into our system.   

Following is the info off the IMAC web site that should clear up any confusion I may have created:

Starting in 2009, we are introducing the “IMAC Senior Points Series”. This series is open to any IMAC member who competes in any IMAC Regional Points Series (IRPS) contest, in the Sportsman thru Unlimited class and is fortunate enough to be 55 years of age or older at the start of any IRPS contest. (Sorry kids, you will just have to wait a few more years.) This series, held in the NW region since 2004, has been a great success and is now expanding to all IMAC regions.
At each contest throughout the flying season, the Senior Competition is held in conjunction with your normal IMAC class. Scores are based on the pilots percentage achieved against the maximum possible raw score for their class. You are flying against other Senior pilots in Sportsman thru Unlimited classes.
For example, the 2009 Sportsman sequence has a total of 2,210 points available per judge per sequence; with 2 judges this equals 4,420 points. If the pilot’s raw score is 3,536 points that is 80.00% of the available points. If an Unlimited Senior pilot scores 75.00% of his available points, the sportsman pilot wins that particular sequence. These percentage scores are calculated in the scoring program automatically and normalized against all other Senior pilots by round. Standard formats for throw-out sequences and normalizing are still the same.
There are no additional fees, sequences, or rounds flown and you are still competing in your normal IMAC class. All points, placements and/or trophies you earn for your class are still awarded. The host club has the option to award a 1st place Senior award if they choose, but it is not mandatory.
Entering the Senior Competition is the eligible pilot’s choice and is not mandatory, however, if you decline to join, your points are not retroactively applied later in the year. Once you join then the region will keep your scores for the year.
At the end of the regular season in each region and just like the regular Regional Points Series, the Senior Points Series winners for the season will be awarded first through third place based on their top five contests (normalized - as in the regular class regional points standings and ties will be settled in the same manner).

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