[NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods

Frackowiak Tony frackowiak at sbcglobal.net
Mon May 2 19:59:18 AKDT 2016 

John, with all due respect, you are continuing to show that you are not doing your position the justice it deserves. I'm sorry, I have always liked you as a person, and all I have ever tried to do is help you with your responsibilities as the DVP, but I think you should sit down and really evaluate your stand on this issue.

Tony Frackowiak

On May 2, 2016, at 8:37 PM, John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:

> AMEN
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Mon, 02 May 2016 08:26:48 PM MST
> From: Chris Fitzsimmons via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: JAMIE SCHOOLCRAFT <jamieschoolcraft at icloud.com>, "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT"
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
> 
> NSRCA district points can not be issued by a flying field club.. Only by an
> NSRCA event where all can fly.. 
> 
> C
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 2, 2016, at 7:55 PM, JAMIE SCHOOLCRAFT via NSRCA-dist7
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> 
>> WELL SAID STEVE!!!!
>> 
>> Take Care,
>> Jamie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 2, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Steven Lampert via NSRCA-dist7
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My problem with John’s position is that if a club, in accordance with its
> bylaws, acts to expel or ban an individual, then the NRCA’s decision to
> invalidate the points from an event hosted by that club effectively penalizes
> the club for taking action against such an individual.  The club is thus left
> with the unpalatable options of either tolerating the presence of this
> individual, or having their contest effectively marginalized and transformed
> into a glorified fun fly.
>>> I really don’t question the authority of the NSRCA to exclude such a club
> from hosting an event that is conducted under the auspices of the NSRCA. 
> However , within the context of a club sponsored event, I think the NSRCA may
> be exceeding the legitimate bounds of its authority by effectively punishing a
> club in this manner.
>>> 
>>> What I can’t seem to determine is what is the legitimate scope and source
> of the NSRCA’s authority in this regard… 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: NSRCA-dist7 [mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> Peter Vogel via NSRCA-dist7
>>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:11 PM
>>> To: Chris Fitzsimmons; CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>>> 
>>> +1.  Well said Chris!
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chris Fitzsimmons via NSRCA-dist7
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>> No one is really missing out on any points or contest. Let's not forget the
> BMF contest was not even a contest till like a week ago. The guys up north are
> actually the main people missing out on a contest. Hence why the Fresno came
> in to replace it. And then BMF.. Great to have two step up. 
>>> 
>>> The issue is the club isn't in charge of district points, they are (as
> Robert has pointed out) in charge of their affairs. And that's correct.. To me
> and most others it seems, NSRCA points are not BMFs affair. That belongs to
> the NSRCA.  The NSRCA is an organization right? If we don't pay them we can't
> get district points right? Where is that confusing anyone? 
>>> 
>>> I fully understand BMF and their decision. I could care less who they
> ban... It's about district points and why it is or isn't fair.  It's not
> rocket science and perhaps you should put the shoe on the other foot also. I
> tried it on.. I returned it to the rightful owner after thinking about it
> carefully from the other side. 
>>> 
>>> (Drops microphone) I'm out ✌️
>>> 
>>> Just kidding. Lighten up ffs.. This is a hobby... 
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On May 2, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-dist7
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, with the retaining of the requirement for 4 contests for the Champs,
> and the elimination of points from the upcoming BMF contest, which was just to
> try to help out after your contest was cancelled, plus no points for all BMF
> contests in the future, it will now be even harder for people of more limited
> means to compete for the District Champs. How does that make it a "level
> playing field" for them?
>>> 
>>> I guess it's no problem when you have the means to go to all the events you
> want, along with the Nats each year. Not only financially but when you can
> always travel in a group sharing the load. Not often the case when you're just
> getting in to pattern. I'm also lucky to have good friends that help me attend
> contests. Otherwise I could only go to contests that I run or I can return
> home easily to stay the night. 
>>> 
>>> And people wonder why the entrant counts at our contests continue to
> dwindle. Or why there are 19 Masters in a 35 entrant contest.
>>> 
>>> Still waiting for my return call, Jon.
>>> 
>>> Tony
>>> 
>>> On May 2, 2016, at 8:24 AM, joncarter60 via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I also am in agreement with Dale's points. It is simply about having a
> "level playing field" for the district championship.
>>> 
>>> Jon Carter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6 edge, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Budd Engineering via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: 5/2/2016 8:15 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: Olstinske Dale <sanjosedale at gmail.com>, "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT"
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Olstinske Dale via NSRCA-dist7
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I love the BMF contests, one of the highlights of the year. I would
> always attend in any event, but I support John’s decision about district
> championship points. I really doubt the attendance would be hurt in anyway,
> just my opinion.
>>>> 
>>>> Dale
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 1, 2016, at 4:20 PM, John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is NOT an attack on the Bear Mountain Club/Tony/Leon, (read my
> original
>>>>> post)  It is a statement of policy, in that  every  and ALL members of
> the
>>>>> NSRCA and AMA should be able to compete in the district championships. 
> Did
>>>>> anyone actually read my proposal???? . There should for pilots with the
>>>>> exception of legal actions due to NSRCA or AMA never be an exclusion to
> this 
>>>>> policy.
>>>>> I have never said that anyone could not have a contest, however for
> that
>>>>> contest to be valid there can be no exclusions of pilots that are in
> good
>>>>> standing with AMA and NSRCA  There will be NO more personal attacks  nor
> more
>>>>> personal vendettas.  This is only about out district policy and nothing
> else.
>>>>> John Bentley 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 30 Apr 2016 04:58:39 PM MST
>>>>> From: John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> To: <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>>>>> 
>>>>> All NSRCA D7 Members. It has come to my attention that members in good
>>>>> standing with AMA and NSRCA are unable to fly at a contest site. Because
> of
>>>>> this, from this point  no district championship points will be assigned
> at
>>>>> any
>>>>> contest that excludes a member that is in good standing with AMA and
> NSRCA.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now on the discussion about the Championship. The overall consensus is
> that
>>>>> there should be a single Championship and that Championship should move
> to
>>>>> different sites within D7. In all fairness  since 4 contests have been
> flown
>>>>> there will be no change in how points are determined for the 2016
> contest
>>>>> season.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have heard lots of talk on how the points are awarded . Here is my
> thought
>>>>> in how the contest(S) could be more competitive:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Use 3 contests for qualification. Each pilot will be awarded 33
> points for
>>>>> attendance plus 1 point for each person they beat in the contest.
>>>>> One contest can be used from out of district however that contest can
> not
>>>>> have
>>>>> any points given that is larger than the largest D7 contest attended.As
> an
>>>>> example if a pilot attended the NATS and beat 30 people but their
> largest
>>>>> class in D7 was 18 they could only be awarded 18 points extra not 30. 
>>>>> 2. The championship Contest will  count as 100 points plus 1 point for
> each
>>>>> person beat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3.The method for the calculation will be announced no later than Jan 1
> 2017
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
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