[NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
John Bentley
j.bentley at usa.net
Mon May 2 19:39:42 AKDT 2016
AMEN
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Received: Mon, 02 May 2016 08:26:48 PM MST
From: Chris Fitzsimmons via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
To: JAMIE SCHOOLCRAFT <jamieschoolcraft at icloud.com>, "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT"
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
NSRCA district points can not be issued by a flying field club.. Only by an
NSRCA event where all can fly..
C
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> On May 2, 2016, at 7:55 PM, JAMIE SCHOOLCRAFT via NSRCA-dist7
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> WELL SAID STEVE!!!!
>
> Take Care,
> Jamie
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 2, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Steven Lampert via NSRCA-dist7
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> My problem with John’s position is that if a club, in accordance with its
bylaws, acts to expel or ban an individual, then the NRCA’s decision to
invalidate the points from an event hosted by that club effectively penalizes
the club for taking action against such an individual. The club is thus left
with the unpalatable options of either tolerating the presence of this
individual, or having their contest effectively marginalized and transformed
into a glorified fun fly.
>> I really don’t question the authority of the NSRCA to exclude such a club
from hosting an event that is conducted under the auspices of the NSRCA.
However , within the context of a club sponsored event, I think the NSRCA may
be exceeding the legitimate bounds of its authority by effectively punishing a
club in this manner.
>>
>> What I can’t seem to determine is what is the legitimate scope and source
of the NSRCA’s authority in this regard…
>>
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>> From: NSRCA-dist7 [mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
Peter Vogel via NSRCA-dist7
>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:11 PM
>> To: Chris Fitzsimmons; CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>>
>> +1. Well said Chris!
>>
>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chris Fitzsimmons via NSRCA-dist7
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> No one is really missing out on any points or contest. Let's not forget the
BMF contest was not even a contest till like a week ago. The guys up north are
actually the main people missing out on a contest. Hence why the Fresno came
in to replace it. And then BMF.. Great to have two step up.
>>
>> The issue is the club isn't in charge of district points, they are (as
Robert has pointed out) in charge of their affairs. And that's correct.. To me
and most others it seems, NSRCA points are not BMFs affair. That belongs to
the NSRCA. The NSRCA is an organization right? If we don't pay them we can't
get district points right? Where is that confusing anyone?
>>
>> I fully understand BMF and their decision. I could care less who they
ban... It's about district points and why it is or isn't fair. It's not
rocket science and perhaps you should put the shoe on the other foot also. I
tried it on.. I returned it to the rightful owner after thinking about it
carefully from the other side.
>>
>> (Drops microphone) I'm out ✌️
>>
>> Just kidding. Lighten up ffs.. This is a hobby...
>>
>> Chris
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 2, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-dist7
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> So, with the retaining of the requirement for 4 contests for the Champs,
and the elimination of points from the upcoming BMF contest, which was just to
try to help out after your contest was cancelled, plus no points for all BMF
contests in the future, it will now be even harder for people of more limited
means to compete for the District Champs. How does that make it a "level
playing field" for them?
>>
>> I guess it's no problem when you have the means to go to all the events you
want, along with the Nats each year. Not only financially but when you can
always travel in a group sharing the load. Not often the case when you're just
getting in to pattern. I'm also lucky to have good friends that help me attend
contests. Otherwise I could only go to contests that I run or I can return
home easily to stay the night.
>>
>> And people wonder why the entrant counts at our contests continue to
dwindle. Or why there are 19 Masters in a 35 entrant contest.
>>
>> Still waiting for my return call, Jon.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On May 2, 2016, at 8:24 AM, joncarter60 via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:
>>
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>> I also am in agreement with Dale's points. It is simply about having a
"level playing field" for the district championship.
>>
>> Jon Carter
>>
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>> From: Budd Engineering via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: 5/2/2016 8:15 AM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Olstinske Dale <sanjosedale at gmail.com>, "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT"
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On May 2, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Olstinske Dale via NSRCA-dist7
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I love the BMF contests, one of the highlights of the year. I would
always attend in any event, but I support John’s decision about district
championship points. I really doubt the attendance would be hurt in anyway,
just my opinion.
>> >
>> > Dale
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On May 1, 2016, at 4:20 PM, John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is NOT an attack on the Bear Mountain Club/Tony/Leon, (read my
original
>> >> post) It is a statement of policy, in that every and ALL members of
the
>> >> NSRCA and AMA should be able to compete in the district championships.
Did
>> >> anyone actually read my proposal???? . There should for pilots with the
>> >> exception of legal actions due to NSRCA or AMA never be an exclusion to
this
>> >> policy.
>> >> I have never said that anyone could not have a contest, however for
that
>> >> contest to be valid there can be no exclusions of pilots that are in
good
>> >> standing with AMA and NSRCA There will be NO more personal attacks nor
more
>> >> personal vendettas. This is only about out district policy and nothing
else.
>> >> John Bentley
>> >>
>> >> 30 Apr 2016 04:58:39 PM MST
>> >> From: John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>> >> To: <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>> >> Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>> >>
>> >> All NSRCA D7 Members. It has come to my attention that members in good
>> >> standing with AMA and NSRCA are unable to fly at a contest site. Because
of
>> >> this, from this point no district championship points will be assigned
at
>> >> any
>> >> contest that excludes a member that is in good standing with AMA and
NSRCA.
>> >>
>> >> Now on the discussion about the Championship. The overall consensus is
that
>> >> there should be a single Championship and that Championship should move
to
>> >> different sites within D7. In all fairness since 4 contests have been
flown
>> >> there will be no change in how points are determined for the 2016
contest
>> >> season.
>> >>
>> >> I have heard lots of talk on how the points are awarded . Here is my
thought
>> >> in how the contest(S) could be more competitive:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Use 3 contests for qualification. Each pilot will be awarded 33
points for
>> >> attendance plus 1 point for each person they beat in the contest.
>> >> One contest can be used from out of district however that contest can
not
>> >> have
>> >> any points given that is larger than the largest D7 contest attended.As
an
>> >> example if a pilot attended the NATS and beat 30 people but their
largest
>> >> class in D7 was 18 they could only be awarded 18 points extra not 30.
>> >> 2. The championship Contest will count as 100 points plus 1 point for
each
>> >> person beat.
>> >>
>> >> 3.The method for the calculation will be announced no later than Jan 1
2017
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >>
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