[NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods

Mon May 2 17:33:08 AKDT 2016

Here are some  thoughts:
When a CD runs a contest then he/she is responsible for all aspects of the
contest, safety, pilot conduct, etc. Basically the CD takes over the field and
is entrusted by the club to manage the event. The CD should, at the pilots
meeting, define expectation and make it clear that un-sportsman like conduct
will result in expulsion from the event. If the club has banned a pilot then
that pilot would not be able to practice during open field time when the CD is
not in charge but when the active contest is running the CD can and should
allow any AMA pilot to fly so long as the CD’s expectation are met. If the
pilot violates the rules during the event then the CD has the duty to take
action. 

A particular clubs challenges that result in pilot’s being banned should not
interfere the the pilot’s ability to compete regionally or nationally. Clubs
always have the option of not holding pattern contests if they intent to
guarantee the banned will pilot never fly at the field. When you hold a
contest you open the field to pilots from all over the country and the world,
you never know what you will get and you could get a pilot that had been
banned from other fields perhaps for even more egregious reasons. 
John

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods

My problem with John’s position is that if a club, in accordance with its
bylaws, acts to expel or ban an individual, then the NRCA’s decision to
invalidate the points from an event hosted by that club effectively penalizes
the club for taking action against such an individual.  The club is thus left
with the unpalatable options of either tolerating the presence of this
individual, or having their contest effectively marginalized and transformed
into a glorified fun fly.
I really don’t question the authority of the NSRCA to exclude such a club
from hosting an event that is conducted under the auspices of the NSRCA. 
However , within the context of a club sponsored event, I think the NSRCA may
be exceeding the legitimate bounds of its authority by effectively punishing a
club in this manner.

What I can’t seem to determine is what is the legitimate scope and source of
the NSRCA’s authority in this regard…

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Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:11 PM
To: Chris Fitzsimmons; CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods

+1.  Well said Chris!

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chris Fitzsimmons via NSRCA-dist7
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
No one is really missing out on any points or contest. Let's not forget the
BMF contest was not even a contest till like a week ago. The guys up north are
actually the main people missing out on a contest. Hence why the Fresno came
in to replace it. And then BMF.. Great to have two step up.

The issue is the club isn't in charge of district points, they are (as Robert
has pointed out) in charge of their affairs. And that's correct.. To me and
most others it seems, NSRCA points are not BMFs affair. That belongs to the
NSRCA.  The NSRCA is an organization right? If we don't pay them we can't get
district points right? Where is that confusing anyone?

I fully understand BMF and their decision. I could care less who they ban...
It's about district points and why it is or isn't fair.  It's not rocket
science and perhaps you should put the shoe on the other foot also. I tried it
on.. I returned it to the rightful owner after thinking about it carefully
from the other side.

(Drops microphone) I'm out ✌️

Just kidding. Lighten up ffs.. This is a hobby...

Chris

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On May 2, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-dist7
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
So, with the retaining of the requirement for 4 contests for the Champs, and
the elimination of points from the upcoming BMF contest, which was just to try
to help out after your contest was cancelled, plus no points for all BMF
contests in the future, it will now be even harder for people of more limited
means to compete for the District Champs. How does that make it a "level
playing field" for them?

I guess it's no problem when you have the means to go to all the events you
want, along with the Nats each year. Not only financially but when you can
always travel in a group sharing the load. Not often the case when you're just
getting in to pattern. I'm also lucky to have good friends that help me attend
contests. Otherwise I could only go to contests that I run or I can return
home easily to stay the night.

And people wonder why the entrant counts at our contests continue to dwindle.
Or why there are 19 Masters in a 35 entrant contest.

Still waiting for my return call, Jon.

Tony

On May 2, 2016, at 8:24 AM, joncarter60 via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:

I also am in agreement with Dale's points. It is simply about having a "level
playing field" for the district championship.

Jon Carter

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+1

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> On May 2, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Olstinske Dale via NSRCA-dist7
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>
> I love the BMF contests, one of the highlights of the year. I would always
attend in any event, but I support John’s decision about district
championship points. I really doubt the attendance would be hurt in anyway,
just my opinion.
>
> Dale
>
>
>
>
>> On May 1, 2016, at 4:20 PM, John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>
>> This is NOT an attack on the Bear Mountain Club/Tony/Leon, (read my
original
>> post)  It is a statement of policy, in that  every  and ALL members of the
>> NSRCA and AMA should be able to compete in the district championships. 
Did
>> anyone actually read my proposal???? . There should for pilots with the
>> exception of legal actions due to NSRCA or AMA never be an exclusion to
this
>> policy.
>> I have never said that anyone could not have a contest, however for that
>> contest to be valid there can be no exclusions of pilots that are in good
>> standing with AMA and NSRCA  There will be NO more personal attacks  nor
more
>> personal vendettas.  This is only about out district policy and nothing
else.
>> John Bentley
>>
>> 30 Apr 2016 04:58:39 PM MST
>> From: John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7
<nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> To: <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>>
>> All NSRCA D7 Members. It has come to my attention that members in good
>> standing with AMA and NSRCA are unable to fly at a contest site. Because
of
>> this, from this point  no district championship points will be assigned at
>> any
>> contest that excludes a member that is in good standing with AMA and
NSRCA.
>>
>> Now on the discussion about the Championship. The overall consensus is
that
>> there should be a single Championship and that Championship should move to
>> different sites within D7. In all fairness  since 4 contests have been
flown
>> there will be no change in how points are determined for the 2016 contest
>> season.
>>
>> I have heard lots of talk on how the points are awarded . Here is my
thought
>> in how the contest(S) could be more competitive:
>>
>> 1. Use 3 contests for qualification. Each pilot will be awarded 33 points
for
>> attendance plus 1 point for each person they beat in the contest.
>> One contest can be used from out of district however that contest can not
>> have
>> any points given that is larger than the largest D7 contest attended.As an
>> example if a pilot attended the NATS and beat 30 people but their largest
>> class in D7 was 18 they could only be awarded 18 points extra not 30.
>> 2. The championship Contest will  count as 100 points plus 1 point for
each
>> person beat.
>>
>> 3.The method for the calculation will be announced no later than Jan 1
2017
>>
>>
>> John
>>
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