[NSRCA-dist7] A proposal for FAI at the local level
Steve Hannah
shannah1806 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 15 05:34:59 AKDT 2010
Bill
I support your idea to split the class. I'd rather do two short
stints vs one monster long one. Talk about things that can drive FAI
flyers away, that long sequence and marathon judging sessions is about
ready to do it to me. I think the CD should mandate a shortened
sequence any time there are more than 5 fliers. Plus you should split
the line if more than 8 show up.
As for FAI F: I don't support the pilots option or CD option. The
current proposal is effectively doing nothing beyond what we have
right now. Either we do it or we don't. If I have the choice to
optionally throw away two rounds then I'll probably opt to not do that
and fly P. If I have 4 solid rounds and my choice is to drive home
early or fly F then I might fly F even though it wouldn't have any
bearing on the outcome.
Pilots already fly F on the P score sheets. I'd hope that we could
introduce an F seuence somehow but the voluntary optional thing
doesn't work for me. I can do that now but the results don't mean
anything. So I'll fly P until further notice.
Do it or don't do it.
Steve
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On Mar 15, 2010, at 10:20 AM, "Wallace, Bill" <WallaceBill at bfusa.com>
wrote:
> Tony:
>
> My take on this is that we are not going to dictate to the CD’s hoe
> to run their contest. John has suggested that if the FAI flyers wan
> t to fly the F sequence, then the CD can run the last 2 rounds as ei
> ther F or P to be decided by the pilot. If he decides to fly the F
> then he will be scored at the P schedule K factors. In my opinion,
> this is a fair way to run it, and is how I am going to run the Hemet
> contest. If the FAI pilots don’t like this, then they should speak
> up now or don’t gripe about it come contest day. Let’s face it,
> we are never going to make everyone happy, but this proposal does th
> e best job of it – again in my never to be humble opinion. Since Jo
> n proposed this, and I think he will be running the Dist. Championsh
> ips, then I think we can assume that this is how they will be run.
> Again, if you are a FAI pilot and you don’t like this suggestion, sp
> eak up now. Now Jon – if I am wrong on this let me know. A more pr
> essing problem, IMO, is the heavily loaded Masters class we have in
> Dist. 7. At Yuma – half of the registered pilots were in Masters (8
> ). If we have a good size contest (ie Riverside or Hemet) we could
> have 12 – 15 Masters pilots. This will create havoc for the CD and
> the poor FAI and Advanced pilots who have to sit in the chair for 2
> – 2 ½ hours. My thoughts are to split the class if the number
> gets over 10 and have the same judges for 2 rounds, but they would o
> nly have to judge ½ the pilots each round. Then we would hold off n
> ormalizing until the end of the 2nd round. I am thinking this would
> make the judging a little more tolerable. Looking for comments and
> or other suggestions. Thanks.
>
>
>
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> From: nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist7-
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Frackowiak
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:17 PM
> To: CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] A proposal for FAI at the local level
>
>
>
> Hi Jon,
>
>
>
> Somehow this slipped through on my email, so I'm just responding now.
>
>
>
> With all due respect (whenever I say that I think of Ricky Bobby!) I
> don't see why there can't be some sort of approval by the majority
> of the F3A fliers. A simple yes/no and posting the results would
> suffice. Without that, it looks like just one guys ideas being
> pressed forward.
>
>
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the entire idea of this
> discussion was to come to an agreement amongst all the F3A pilots on
> what to do in this district? If you leave it up to the individual
> CD's, will the D7 Championships be decided by that CD?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Jon Carter wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Tony – There is no real “official” process per se to vote on
> this proposal. As I said, I believe that this is a first “doable”
> step in a process and unless I hear some strong objections from some
> FAI pilots my intention is to forward my proposal to each CD who is
> running a D7 contest with my recommendation to implement it if poss
> ible for their contest. Please keep in mind that this decision is ul
> timately the CD’s of the individual events.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Jon Carter
>
> NSRCA D7 VP
>
>
>
> From: nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist7-
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Frackowiak
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:08 AM
> To: CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] A proposal for FAI at the local level
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I will have no problem supporting this if this what the majority of
> the F3A pilots have agreed upon. Is there a process to come to a
> majority agreement?
>
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Jon Carter wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Local contests and FAI: A modest Proposal.
>
>
>
> As I have indicated on the D7 list and in e-mails to most of the D7
> FAI pilots I think that we need to come to a decision/recommendation
> for the FAI class at local contests as soon as possible. At this
> point I have spoken with almost every D7 pilot who flew in an FAI
> contest during the 2009 season. I would like to begin by stating
> some facts, some assumptions and some goals.
>
>
>
> Facts:
>
> The 2010 contest season started in Phoenix on 11/14/2009 and we
> are 3 contests into the season.
> Since we have already begun the season, I do not support adding
> “F” as a required element at the D7 Championships for the 2010
> season.
> There are strong opinions on both sides of this issue.
> Adding the “F” schedule at local contests is a significant change
> to the way we have “traditionally” flown FAI.
> It is up to each individual CD to structure and run his contest in a
> manner that follows the rules and satisfies the needs of his club
> and his pilots.
>
>
> Assumptions:
>
> Most D7 FAI pilots support an option to assist the pilots who go to
> the Nats by providing them with a way to fly judged “F” sequences.
> Many D7 FAI pilots think that flying the “F’ sequence at local
> contests would be fun, challenging and a way to more fully align our
> selves with what it means to fly “FAI”
> There will be a significant “learning” curve in judging the
> “F” sequence.
>
>
> Goals:
>
> Arrive at a set of guidelines for the 2010 season that will give an
> event CD a framework for running the FAI class this year and allow
> pilots who choose to, the ability to fly “F” and receive scores.
> Provide a path that will allow us to offer the “F” sequence
> at local contests and the District Championships in 2011 and going f
> orward if so desired.
> If we make changes, ensure that a process of review is completed to
> determine the positive or negative impact of the changes after the
> season
>
>
> Proposal for the remainder of this year
>
>
>
> Any FAI pilot who wants to may fly two rounds of F at a local
> contest, with the CD’s permission. To simplify things for the CD I t
> hink that this should be limited to the last two rounds on Sunday. I
> f the CD is willing to permit this, it must be mentioned as far in a
> dvance as possible. (On the website and in the contest flyer at the
> minimum) If the CD does not want to fly the “F” sequence, or no
> pilots want to, FAI will be flown as usual with a best 4 out of 6 “P
> ” sequences.
>
>
>
> The F schedule scores will simply be entered into the computer as a
> P schedule. This will apply the “P” K-Factors to the “F”
> sequence. This is obviously a “handicap” for the pilots who
> choose to fly the “F” sequence (~17%). It does though allow them
> to fly the “F” sequence in front of judges and receive scores
> that they can review for areas that need improvement.
>
> All other scoring, i.e. count the best 4 out of 6 rounds, will be
> kept as is.
>
>
>
> District Championships
>
> The District Championship will be flown as a Schedule “P” contest
> only. As I mentioned up above, we are 3 contests into the 2010 seaso
> n and I do not think that it is proper to make a change of this magn
> itude for the District Championships at this time.
>
>
>
> The Future
>
> I believe that we should observe these changes and their impact on
> our local FAI contests for the remainder of this season. If they
> appear to be positive and the majority of the FAI flyers like them
> we could make another step next year. If the idea has strong local
> FAI pilot support, I would support making our local FAI contests a
> best 3 out of 4 “P” and a best 1 out of 2 “F” for 2011.
> Please keep in mind that by trying something different this year we
> are not committing ourselves to any changes for next year. If we ado
> pt this proposal we have most of a year for pilots to see “F”
> flown locally and for the rest of us to learn how to judge it! Remem
> ber our goal is to compete, improve our piloting skills and have fun!
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Jon Carter
>
> NSRCA D7 VP
>
>
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