[NSRCA-dist7] FAI: F sequence at local contests

Fri Mar 5 04:35:02 AKST 2010

This will be short since I am on my iPhone. Ha ha

Years ago I would have agreed with Chris and Derek. That was before my  
IMAC days. Yes people can actually judge complex routines. Do they do  
a good job at it?  Not at first but they start to figure it out after  
a while. Sometimes it takes a lot of judge coaching.

Second, flying the insanely complex unknowns in Advanced and Unlimited  
taught me how to just suck it up and do my best. You don't need to  
burns gallons of fuel or megawatts of electricity. You just go do your  
best. Sure there will be guys flying F over and over. Good for them.  
The majority of us are in the same boat with each other, we don't have  
time.   It really will make you a better flier to go try some things  
out of your comfort zone

As I have heard it stated through the years, Pattern fliers can be  
seen as prima donnas.  I hate the thought of that. One thing that  
drives it home, in my opinion, is having folks be afraid to step up to  
the plate and blow chunks all over the sky while they butcher the  
routine. They don't want to look bad. Just get over it. Flying  
unknowns taught me how to do that. Just go out, have fun, learn from  
it, and relax.  So what if you blow it. Most everyone else will too.  
You will, however, feel a lot of accomplishment when you scores  
improve. And they will improve.

Yes this will benefit the guys going to the nats. I think that is a  
good thing. Tighten up the judging for P (doesn't matter if we fly F  
or not) and get our guys some contest exposure to F. It helps our  
district.

Lastly, this should not be a "pilots choice".  That screws up a lot of  
things. I like the idea of one scored round of F. Do well and you keep  
it. Blow it and it will be a drop.

Personally, I will suck at it but I don't care. I really think it is  
good for the sport.  I've already seen it draw interest from my local  
IMAC and 3D crowd. It might help attract fliers.

Steve

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 4, 2010, at 11:32 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com 
 > wrote:

> Ah, who cares about a flame suit.. lol
>
> I think it's fine, just shouldn't be mandatory.. If you make it  
> mandatory it takes away from the majority of FAI pilots. These  
> pilots (the majority) don't seem to want to fly F because they  
> aren't going to the nats and don't want to fly it. They are the  
> one's supporting the local contests right? So we should tell them  
> you have to fly F so that the few FAI pilots in our district that  
> are going to the nats can fly it and get judged? Judged by who? Who  
> is qualified to judge it? Heck, I don't know how to judge some of  
> it. Could I guess my way through it? Sure, most likely. The first  
> couple of guys flying it would probably be scored easier than the  
> last guys IMO. What will happen to those pilots if we try to force  
> this on them? Are their batteries (if electric) large enough to fly  
> the F sequence, or does this create an extra burden on them to get  
> bigger packs? I assume a glow guy would have a big enough tank.. It  
> will also create another burden by having to setup different flight  
> modes for the second sequence. It requires different things of the  
> model.
>
> On the other side, if you force people to fly both, they will become  
> better pilots IMO. They may lose a plane or 2 (just kidding), but  
> eventually it will help their skills IMO. I know learning new  
> sequences has helped me tremendously. Another plus is that the guys  
> who are judging will get to be better judges IMO. Other districts  
> are doing this, let's not forget.
>
> So, I am planning on moving to FAI pretty soon. Do I want to fly  
> both?? No, not unless I can quit my job and go fly everyday so that  
> I can be competitive.. Which I'm pretty sure isn't going to happen..
>
> My advice on the situation is if someone wants to fly it, lets have  
> the scoring in the computer so that it's possible. It can be done,  
> it's not that difficult.. But don't make those who "have a busy life  
> outside of pattern" have to learn another sequence. If that happens,  
> FAI pilots are going to really dislike having to sit in the judges  
> seat for 3 rounds a contest.. Masters will get really huge..
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at comcast.net>
> To: "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 10:29:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] FAI: F sequence at local contests
>
> Flame suit on…
>
> Are we really ready to let our judges loose on an F schedule?   I’m  
> serious here… we have only a few very qualified judges that are capa 
> ble of judging these sequences and we’re now going to ask them to ju 
> dge an F schedule.  I’ve seen way too many F3A pilots fly out of the 
>  box without getting penalized, radii not flown consistently and not 
>  being penalized, roles in lines not positioned properly and not bei 
> ng penalized and then we’re going to ask these same judges to judge  
> a sequence with 9 snaps, multiple elements in a maneuver and expect  
> the outcome to be fair?
>
> I know I’ve just flipped this around into a judging issue but  
> that’s where I believe it lies.  Several D7 pilots want to go to the 
>  Nats, but as we’ve seen in past years, they have not been treated t 
> oo kindly by the Nats judges and that’s because they consistently wi 
> n or place well here without flying the sequence the way it should b 
> e flown, and when they get to the Nats they get hammered.
>
> Find good and consistent judges for F3A and then I’d say we have a s 
> hot at flying the P and F schedules and having an outcome that is fa 
> ir.
>
> And to answer your question, Jon… I intend to learn to fly the F seq 
> uence as I think it’ll make me a better pilot.  It’ll take a long  
> time before I even consider myself contest ready with it since I’m o 
> nly now starting to fly the P sequence and I’m just concentrating on 
>  the 1st part of it at this time.  Will I be ready to fly F any time 
>  soon – no.  If the option is available to fly F during a contest th 
> en I will more than likely take it provided that I have practiced it 
>  and am comfortable with it.  That definitely won’t be in March, Apr 
> il or May I’m afraid… perhaps June onwards.  I think 4 rounds of  
> P and 2 of F would be good with the best 3 of P and the best F to co 
> unt.  Now, for those pilots that don’t want to fly F – they can  
> fly all 6 rounds of P and count their best 4.  I do not think we sho 
> uld exclude anyone from flying.
>
> From: nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist7- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jon Carter
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:56 PM
> To: CA, AZ, HI, NV,UT
> Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] FAI: F sequence at local contests
>
> To:        D7 FAI pilots and those D7 pilots who are considering  
> flying FAI at a D7 2010 contest.
>
> From:    Jon Carter NSRCA D7 VP
>
> I am soliciting input from all D7 FAI pilots on the question of  
> whether to attempt to fly some F rounds at local contests. This is  
> currently being discussed on RCU (I have attached a link to the  
> discussion)
>
> http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9548995/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm
>
> I personally think that there are good points made on each “side”  
> of the discussion. I would like to get some feedback from all of you 
>  (D7 FAI pilots) as to your preference. I know that not all of you r 
> ead this list either but I think that I have e-mail addresses for mo 
> st of the current FAI pilots and I know who you are! So, if I do not 
>  hear from some of you I will be sending out some personal e-mails.
>
> Let me state my initial assumptions:
>
> 1) We do this to have fun!
> 2) At a local contest it is the CD’s discretion as to how he runs th 
> e show. The important thing is that any deviations from the “standar 
> d” format be announced well in advance.
> 3) A set of D7 guidelines to assist a CD with this decision and a  
> mechanism to handle it would be a “good” thing.
> 4) It should never be mandatory to fly the F sequence at a local  
> contest. (This is strongly implied in the FAI rulebook)
>
> Thanks guys, I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Jon Carter
>
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