[NSRCA-dist1] PatternScoring System

Wed Oct 28 07:27:51 AKDT 2015

Folks,

 I may be a newbie to Pattern but I have vast experience in complex instant
scoring systems. In this case there is only a "cool factor" and in my
opinion no measurable affect on the outcome or attendance of a contest.

 If D1 is to invest hard cash into something perhaps some more actual
events/contests would be nice. Would our D1 folks benefit more from slick
scoring or more flying?

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:02 AM, JOE LACHOWSKI via NSRCA-dist1 <
nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

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> Actually, there needs to be more focus on getting people to the contests.
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> Joe Lachowski
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> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Ed Alt wrote:
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> Yep!
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> On Oct 28, 2015, at 10:52 AM, JOE LACHOWSKI via NSRCA-dist1 <
> nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> I never look at scores. It only makes me angry. Only interested in results
> relative to my fellow competitors. LOL. Focusing on having better qualified
> and a bigger pool of judges than an automated scoring program is more
> important. I prefer writing on paper no matter what and will never use an
> automated system when I judge.
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> Joe Lachowski
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> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Scott Smith via NSRCA-dist1 wrote:
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> I think, more than anything, Peter's system provides for better judging.
> Points are deducted as defects are seen; no more impression judging.  If no
> defects are seen, it's a 10.  If numerous defects are flown, a 1 or 0 is
> easily possible.  Where as how many actually write a 1?   It also allows
> for the judge to never have take their eyes off the airplane to record a
> score.
>
> The logistics of moving scores and eliminating transcription errors is
> just gravy.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:33 AM, John Ford via NSRCA-dist1 <
> nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> I think that we need to remember what the core problem is…
>> The core problem isn't the choice of scoring system, hi-tech, lo-tech, or
>> anything else.
>>
>> The NSRCA's mission is to provide Contests and Contest Experiences to its
>> members. That means that the local contest is king of everything we do and
>> has the greatest influence on how our sport evolves and lives. (Sorry, but
>> the NATS are a statistically trivial part of all NSRCA activity)
>> From the perspective of a new Sportsman, THE SINGLE BIGGEST DEAL in
>> his/her mind is seeing their score after the first round of their first
>> contest…that's it.
>>
>> In the Districts (I've seen several, not only D1), we have
>> volunteers/CD's who run the current "manual" software very very well,
>> without a hitch, and posting rounds a few minutes after the last pilot
>> lands. Within the same districts, there are contests where scores are
>> simply not available at all until Sunday afternoon. We even see contests
>> where an "on-the-spot" excel spreadsheet gets created on Saturday morning
>> because of an unresolvable glitch in the software.
>>
>> So we have a consistency issue to solve, not necessarily a major
>> technology obstacle to overcome.
>>
>> Probably relatively easy to solve the former, and much more demanding on
>> someone's time to solve the latter via Peter's system.
>>
>> Just my opinion…
>>
>> John Ford
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>> On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Dana Beaton via NSRCA-dist1 <
>> nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> It’s a system Matt, and someone needs to set-up WiFi at each contest so
>> that the scores are passed to the computer as the judges record them.
>> Would require a non-trivial level of knowledge, training and commitment to
>> implement and maintain in any District; that said, not insurmountable if
>> that’s what any District wants to do and has volunteers who will see it
>> through. What is perhaps as interesting is that how our members wish to
>> score rounds at a contest?  There is a certain simplicity in the way we do
>> it now, with pencil and paper, that is perhaps not something that all would
>> like to discard for recording downgrades.  We could say that if it isn’t
>> broke, don’t fix it; but to be honest that is not entirely the case, that
>> what we do now is not broke; but Vogel’s solution is only one possible way
>> to address what sometimes does not work well at our D1 contests. What do
>> others think?
>>
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2015, at 8:06 AM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:
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>> I want to qualify my comments. I only have a passing interest in Peter's
>> scoring system, so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt. Bottom
>> line, "I think" that it scores each maneuver directly into a database and
>> produces immediate results after each pilot has flown. That's really cool!
>> If I understand it right.
>>
>> I think that for D1 it's likely a mater of logistics. How many contests
>> are there and what is the real workload the system likely to alleviate?
>> Having the instant response is a nice to have but is it absolutely
>> necessary? Are the required people who have been doing the job no longer
>> available? Or is it one big hassle every Saturday morning and that's the
>> real benefit? But someone still needs to manage something with this
>> software, don't they?
>>
>> Money: Chances are that you the pilots will need to put up the money. You
>> may ask the NSRCA board for assistance and might get 200$. And what about
>> new pilots coming into pattern (in D1)? When do they participate with their
>> wallets?
>>
>> Is the app enough technology to help a contest or do you have to have the
>> full blown system?
>>
>> Matt
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dana Beaton via NSRCA-dist1 <nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>; CT, DE, ME, MD, MA, NH,
>> NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT, ME, MD, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT <
>> nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2015 6:27 am
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist1] PatternScoring System
>>
>> Aside from the obvious question of where would the $2,500 investment come
>> from, I wish I could say that contest scoring has NOT been an issue in D1,
>> and that we really don’t need a some solution.  With all due respect to our
>> clubs, CDs, their assistants and volunteers who have been doing their very
>> best with what they have to work with; we have had challenges in recent
>> contests with legacy laptop computers and that remains an issue, albeit a
>> local one for contests in 2016.  Now I would not go so far as to say that
>> Vogel's solution is the right fit for D1; but it’s availability does beg
>> the question if we can do better as a District; and raise the question if
>> there is an alternative to continuing with the various local laptops?
>> Perhaps D1 acquiring/updating a laptop or two to support contests at the
>> District level as an intermediate step?  If we cannot supply/support a D1
>> laptop or two, and manage the logistics of who has it, where & when, then
>> we are not likely to pull off a full conversion to Vogel’s system.
>>
>> My observation is that we have enough capable volunteers at each contest
>> to enter scores, many of whom are now familiar with Master Scoring
>> software; but we have had an uneven experience with the the laptops
>> themselves in recent years.  What do others think and is this an issue we
>> want to address as D1 (or just let it stay local knowing that contests may
>> not go as smoothly as they could if we had some robust D1 hardware backing
>> our local efforts)?  Perhaps if we can manage the logistics of shepherding
>> two D1 scoring computers around in 2016, we might upgrade to Vogel’s system
>> in the future once additional members have been exposed to it enough to
>> decide if they want to use it at their local contests (most D1 members do
>> not travel to the Nats)?
>>
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>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 9:00 PM, Anthony Romano via NSRCA-dist1 <
>> nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> Please read the below message from Peter Vogel about the electronic
>> scoring system he brought to the Canandaigua contest this year. Should D1
>> invest in one of these systems? Anyone willing to manage this?
>>
>> Anthony
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>> After 2 very successful trouble-free runs at the SAM contest 2 weeks ago
>> and the Cajun NATS last week.  Last Monday I finally decided it was time to
>> submit the app formally to the app store rather than relying on development
>> loads to individual iPod touches or TestFlight 30-day conk beta loads for
>> my friends in Australia who have been experimenting with the app.  As more
>> districts reach out to me with orders for fully configured setups I wanted
>> to make sure I had a path to get software updates out to devices in a
>> timely manner.
>>
>> So I'm pleased to announce that as of today the PatternScoring app for
>> iOS is live on the App Store as a free app!
>>
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/patternscoring/id1018433564?mt=8
>>
>> If you've never used the scribe app before, feel free to download and,
>> with a good internet connection, use the "demo contest" mode to play with
>> it.  Naturally the intent is to use it with a game controller, but the
>> buttons on the screen with the picture of the game controller do work to
>> give you a flavor for how things work.
>>
>> If you are using it on iOS 8, you will notice that the voice is a little
>> bit fast.  That's because iOS 9 changed the pace of the voice synthesizer
>> and I submitted the version to work best with the latest iOS (9).
>>
>> I've also completed a complete Bill of Materials for the contest scoring
>> system, including two handy rolling cases with custom-cut foam for
>> everything needed (except the laptop) to run a contest, I sell these at my
>> cost of $2500, fully configured to run a contest out of the box (i.e.: I'm
>> not trying to make money on this).  D8 just bought one, and D7 has bought
>> two. If any other districts have an interest in getting one or more sets,
>> please contact me directly and we can make appropriate arrangements.
>> Please make sure you have one or more people in the district who are
>> willing and able to take on the running of scoring at a contest using the
>> system.  I'm making continuous refinements to the system to make it easier
>> for anyone to run scoring, but it does require a certain level of comfort
>> and familiarity with technology in general.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Peter+
>>
>> --
>> Director, Fixed Wing Flight Training
>> Santa Clara County Model Aircraft Skypark
>> Associate Vice President, Academy of Model Aeronautics District X
>> Treasurer, National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)
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