[NSRCA-dist1] PatternScoring System

Mon Nov 9 05:57:00 AKST 2015

Great conversation, thanks all!  What is looks like to me as the first D1 Scoring Team volunteer (feel free to pile on, err, volunteer to help in 2016):

Printers:
Sal reminds us that if they are not used, they may not work when we need them at a contest.  This suggests that CDs continue to bring their trusty printers to their contests.  That said, Joe has generously offered his printer to D1 as a back-up: D1 Scoring Team can bring Joe’s donated printer to contests, just in case.  A Win-win for D1!  I agree with Scott that a printer is basic equipment.  While pilot report PDFs can be mailed after the contest, just printing them out on the spot allows the CD’s job to end with the contest (and not have more work to do the next day at home).

Monitors
The thought of fitting a large monitor in the mini van amongst all the other stuff I bring to contests is not appealing.  Would suggest that a large display monitor be offered at the option of any CD who wished to provide one, and not become a D1 Scoring Team item. (Unless we have volunteers who would like to cart it around to contests next year?)

Smart Phones
May be the way to go if and when scores can be displayed in real time AND there is internet connectivity at the contest site such that scores can be uploaded from MS to server AND contestants can view a web page scoreboard.  Would solve a lot of problems if connectivity is not an issue. Thoughts?

Laptops:
THE core issue.  We have some in D1 that run MS well; and some not so much.  Apparently a clean installation on a relatively recent windows version is key.  A few of us at the LV have not had much success with older, legacy windows versions, so that makes sense.  This is both a local contest/CD issue, as well as a D1 issue, since an uncooperative laptop at any contest affects D1 members.  As Dave called out, last minute, one man (CD or scorekeeper) set-ups have not served us well last season and some preparation is prudent. What would a D1 Scoring Team solution look like? Any suggestions?

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 5:37 AM, Ed Alt via NSRCA-dist1 <nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Yep, several of us were doing that with our phones at Canandaigua.  You really could take a minimalist approach and skip the display monitor.  It's a nice to have, not a necessity.
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> On Nov 6, 2015, at 5:32 AM, Scott Smith via NSRCA-dist1 <nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
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>> By browsing to www.PatternScoring.com <http://www.patternscoring.com/>
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>> One of the functions of Peter's adapter is uploading contest data (JSON output from MS) to his web server.  When the data is refreshed, any client browser is automatically updated.  That's the scoreboard.
>> 
>> MS will have the upload feature next year so as scores are entered, data can be uploaded and people can view it real time.   
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>> I think everyone at Ken's contest is a believer of this technology.... http://www.patternscoring.com/98d96681-98e6-4ca1-a7d5-b8cbe63c0786 <http://www.patternscoring.com/98d96681-98e6-4ca1-a7d5-b8cbe63c0786>
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>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:10 PM, S Piu via NSRCA-dist1 <nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>> Scott,
>> 
>>   Intrigued:  how do you propose people use their cell phones to retrieve score-status-results mid-way during the contest?
>> 
>> Sal
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/5/2015 5:36 AM, Scott Smith wrote:
>>> If you have computers (plural) at the field, you don't need something like Pi.  
>>> 
>>> You can't use the scoring computer to render the scoreboard unless it has dual monitor outputs.  You also don't need a scoreboard, people could just use their phones.
>>> 
>>> I would still consider a printer to be part of required "minimum equipment"
>>> 
>>> I believe the direction Peter is going is to use his app in conjunction with Master Scoring.  MS has the reports, Nat's scheduling, matrix and TBL.  He wants his system to be used at the Nat's and the easiest way to do that is interface with MS.  His "adaptor" then just has to manage the iPods.  You can run a local contest with just his software, but setup and reporting may be easier with MS.  
>>> 
>>> You can read more about it at www.PatternScoring.com <http://www.patternscoring.com/> (there is a manual there you can download for more info)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:55 PM, S Piu <spiurc at comcast.net <mailto:spiurc at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> I'm not sure if my prior post-attempts made it to everyone, so some of this may be a repeat:
>>> 
>>> First, I'm  not in favor of a district-shared printer.  I've had two printers go to dry-ink conditions from lack of constant use, which would be a very likely scenario between contest seasons for D1. While new ink cartridges easily resolves this issue, via purchase immediately prior to a contest, the dry ink within the printer can be challenging to recover from. 
>>> 
>>> Second, having experience running a contest essentially by myself, I am intrigued if the Vogel system could ease my workload with score-entry.    If a local WiFi needs to be set up to enable it, this presents the problem of wifi distance/range limitations or requirements.  Site-specific arrangements will need to be considered.  My site probably has too great of distances to effectively use Wifi due to electric source via generator arrangement (which is set up to support local in-place structures that are intentionally far away from the flight line).  Therefore, is there a long-wired option with the Vogel system  to consider? 
>>> 
>>> As you recall, at my last hosted-event, I used an erasable marking board, which seams to satisfy pilot's thirst for placement info entering the last few rounds. I use the Master Scoring software which will very easily generate each pilot's data and statistics for the entire event that can easily be emailed to anyone requesting their info.
>>> 
>>>   Regarding Raspberry Pi:  why bother with a Pi if we're already bringing laptops to the event, for software scoring purposes, which could also display on the big screen TV via HDMI port?  On the flip side, if Scott Smith's Master Scoring program could be made to work on the PI, then PI would be another smaller package and cheaper alternative versus bringing out a laptop or desktop PC.
>>>    I wonder if the Vogel system use a Pi and/or a PC laptop/desktop ?
>>> 
>>> Sal
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 
>>> On 11/2/2015 7:07 PM, Dave Lockhart via NSRCA-dist1 wrote:
>>>> I’d be fine with a video scoreboard.  Pilot tares / stats can be emailed at the end of the contest.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> From: NSRCA-dist1 [mailto:nsrca-dist1-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-dist1-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Dana Beaton via NSRCA-dist1
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:03 PM
>>>> To: Anthony Romano  <mailto:anthonyr105 at hotmail.com><anthonyr105 at hotmail.com> <mailto:anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>; CT, DE, ME, MD, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT  <mailto:nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org><nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org> <mailto:nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist1] PatternScoring System
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>>>>  
>>>> Not much. We need hard copy to share out the pilot stats at the end of the contest. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
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