[NSRCA-discussion] Model Identification for FAI starting in 2022

Mon Sep 13 16:31:04 AKDT 2021

Hi Phil,

You certainly point out some valid arguments. To be honest-I actually do not know all the reasons for affiliations etc. to any of these bodies. Maybe it’s a matter of local laws, regulations etc. Who knows??

I started flying back in about ’77. I cannot remember what the set up was then. I do remember having a VH number and this changed to AUS numbers, around the early nineties, from memory. I always received my FAI sporting licence along with my Club Memberships/MAAA card from around then. I know we have insurance cover, but I think this coverage is provided by the MAAA.

I do not know what advantages we gain as a National Body, by being either a member of the FAI….or is just an affiliation? Does it mean I’m registered somewhere in Geneva??? Maybe?

Tom

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Tom,

AFIK, AMA is not affiliated with the FAI.  I do not understand why these organizations/agencies are so hell-bent-for-leather on controlling model aircraft.  My SPA competition planes are not capable of carrying enough destructive material to do serious damage to any buildings or anything.  Also, the few rogue drone pilots, who have no common sense at all, lead to punishing all us R/C pilots for their stupidity of flying their wallmart drones up near airliners.  Or, the FAA employee who crashed his drone on the White House lawn in the wee small hours.  The FAA will come after US, but they didn't punish that employee AT ALL for his stupidity.  They even keep his stupidity hired @ the FAA!!!

So, as far as I am concerned, the FAI and the FAA can rot in hell.  I will totally ignore the FAI, and will follow the FAA rules to the letter because I don't want to go to jail or give them my money, and I want to keep flying SPA and scale planes.  I thank someone for two things:  1) the AMA is NOT part of the FAI; and 2) The AMA has worked way overtime trying to rein in the FAA's over reach in controlling our "drones".  Why do we need the FAI controlling what we do with our model aircraft???  Why did the MAAA opt in to the FAI, Tom?

Going to church doesn't make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a mechanic.
Phil Spelt, AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member
SPA L-18, Board Member, NSRCA 2032, KCRC Emeritus
Knoxville, TN  37931   (865) 604-0541c
On 09/08/2021 8:22 PM Koenig, Tom via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

Hi all,

Well certainly in Australia’s case, our National Body, the MAAA sits as body, as a member of the FAI (International Governing Body).

As a result, every Modeller in Australia, belonging to any club in the Nation is issued a Sporting Licence, issued by the FAI, Class F Aeromodels-Class S Space Models.

These carry our Licence Numbers. In Australia’s case, an AUS##### Number.

We have been carrying AUS numbers on our models for Decades. Yes…Decades.

Originally we used to carry VH registration numbers. The same as FULL SIZE. You can understand why this had to change.

So, I assume that the AMA is not registered with the FAI and that the US is/has been going it alone? If the AMA is part of the FAI, then why have you all not got your FAI sporting Licence? The sporting licence will have your number.

Tom

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All our competitions in the US are AMA except for the world champs.  I do not believe it affects us.

Sheldon

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Thanks Mark. I’ll pass this on to the board to pass on to our members. …Charlie

On Sep 7, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Mark Atwood via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

Please read below regarding Plane markings for FAI competitions starting in 2022.  Our AMA number is no longer valid for those comps.  We must you our FAI issued ID along with USA.

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From: "Peter Uhlig" (via ciam-f3a Mailing List) <ciam-f3a at fai.org<mailto:ciam-f3a at fai.org>>
Subject: [ciam-f3a] FAI ID
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Dear Subcommittee Members,
I would like to inform you about a Plenary decision which has been published since 2020 and may cause some confusion.
C.11 IDENTIFICATION MARKS
C.11.1 Class F - Model Aircraft
a) Model aircraft, except for Indoor Free Flight and Scale, shall carry:
i) The national identification mark followed by the FAI Unique ID number. The letters and numbers
must be at least 25 mm high and appear at least once on each model (on the upper surface of
a wing for Free Flight models).
Note: The list of the national identification marks (3 letters per country) is downloadable from
“Documents” section of the CIAM website http://www.fai.org/ciam-documents.
Note: The mandatory carrying of the FAI ID number shall commence in 2022.
During the last years competitors could use National Licence number or FAI ID. From 2022 the unique FAI ID is mandatory. Pilots need to display Country Code and FAI ID on their planes, if they want to take part in an FAI competition.
National licence number caused a lot of confusion because there sometimes were competitors who had more than one. The FAI ID is unique. Whenever anybody had one, he will have it forever, even if the licence isn't valid.
Have a look at an example:

This is noted in the FAI database about my license valid in 2017:
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On my former models I needed GER 384 Country Code+NAC License Number for FAI competitons.
From 2022 GER 19233 is necessary. Country Code+FAI ID.
May be the NACs will demand to have national numbers on the model for national competitions. But everbody who normally has received an FAI License, has received it via his national federation. So in my opinion the FAI ID may be sufficient for national competitions, too. But this is on behalf of the NACs not to complicate the case. They should use the FAI card above fro printouts. On some licenses issued by some NACs important FAI ID is missing. This should be changed.
Organizers should accept only FAI ID for registration. With an excel file with only these numbers, the FAI Jury can check the validity in very easy way without entering each name into the database.

Please inform the competition pilots and the organizers in your countries to avoid problems at FAI competitions!

Kind regards
Peter

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