[NSRCA-discussion] Judging question

[Tjpritchett]

What’s odd about this model is that it applies equal value to each segment’s portion of the maneuver.  Some segments are undisputedly harder than others. 
 For instance, say it’s a stall turn and not a square. The pilot flies the majority of the maneuver perfectly, but flops the stall. However, the flop and correction were out of the top of the box. The flop would earn him a zero if it was in the box, but since it was out, it would only be 1/3 or ~3.5 points of a downgrade. 

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> On Jul 5, 2020, at 6:24 PM, flyintexanmark via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Why should the top of the box violation be treated differently than the sides of the box violations?
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> That simply goes by percentage of the overall size of the manuever... correct?
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> From: Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: 7/5/20 5:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Don Ramsey <donramsey at gmail.com>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging question
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> I agree with Cliff.  I don’t think the current rule book consider to count elements out of the box. In any event, there is no time to do it and it is not practical. 
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> Vicente “Vince” Bortone 
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>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:52 PM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> So, how many points do you downgrade?
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>> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion
>> Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 4:11 PM
>> To: Keith Black; General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging question
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>> I will do a proportion of the square out of the box. 
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>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
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>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:01 PM Keith Black via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> Nice question. Sounds like 3/8 this of the maneuver is not acceptable, that leaves you with about a 6. Unless you decide to zero on the grounds that the entire maneuver must be in the box. 
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>> Keith
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>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:26 PM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> During a judging discussion recently, a question came up that I would like to get input from the group.  Setup: A centered square loop (as if there could be a turnaround version) is flown with the upper radii and horizontal line flown out of the box.  The other elements are perfect.  What is your downgrade for the box violation?
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