<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">What’s odd about this model is that it applies equal value to each segment’s portion of the maneuver. Some segments are undisputedly harder than others. <div> For instance, say it’s a stall turn and not a square. The pilot flies the majority of the maneuver perfectly, but flops the stall. However, the flop and correction were out of the top of the box. The flop would earn him a zero if it was in the box, but since it was out, it would only be 1/3 or ~3.5 points of a downgrade. <br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 5, 2020, at 6:24 PM, flyintexanmark via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">Why should the top of the box violation be treated differently than the sides of the box violations?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That simply goes by percentage of the overall size of the manuever... correct?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000" dir="auto"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> </div><div>Date: 7/5/20 5:13 PM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: Don Ramsey <<a href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com">donramsey@gmail.com</a>>, General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> </div><div>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging question </div><div><br></div></div><div><div dir="auto">I agree with Cliff. I don’t think the current rule book consider to count elements out of the box. In any event, there is no time to do it and it is not practical. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Vicente “Vince” Bortone </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:52 PM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-7454391857077586917WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So, how many points do you downgrade?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-7454391857077586917WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 5, 2020 4:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Keith Black; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging question<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">I will do a proportion of the square out of the box. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">Vicente "Vince" Bortone<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:01 PM Keith Black via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">Nice question. Sounds like 3/8 this of the maneuver is not acceptable, that leaves you with about a 6. Unless you decide to zero on the grounds that the entire maneuver must be in the box. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">Keith<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:26 PM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">During a judging discussion recently, a question came up that I would like to get input from the group. Setup: A centered square loop (as if there could be a turnaround version) is flown with the upper radii and horizontal line flown out of the box. The other elements are perfect. What is your downgrade for the box violation?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%">_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%">_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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