[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

[Vicente Bortone]

Don,

I believe you are correct.  Good that you were able to find the history.
That is why we got a little confused because it is difficult to remember
and easy to go back and forth.

Thanks,

Vicente "Vince" Bortone


On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:32 AM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> I have researched this reasonably thoroughly and concluded that the
> centered top hat is no longer required to have equal length legs in AMA.
> The last reference to them being equal was in 2009.  The current AMA
> Competition Regulations doesn’t mention the top hat and the current
> maneuver description says nothing about them being equal.  The maneuver
> must start and end at the same altitude so the verticals need to be the
> same.  Conclusion: top leg not required to be equal to verticals.
>
>
>
> Don
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:45 AM
> *To:* Daniel Underkofler via NSRCA-discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question
>
>
>
> As Chair of the sequence committee the intent was that the maneuver be
> square, equal horizontal and vertical.  I have searched for the maneuver
> descriptions that include that the horizontal segment of any top hat must
> be inverted and I I was unable to find that reference (everyone agrees on
> this point).  I  believe that there is also a reference to the line lengths
> on a center top hat maneuver being equal.  Pretty sure that they have
> always been so in the past.  If anyone can find that document that
> discusses top hats please let me know.
>
> I apologize for not including that downgrade in the maneuver
> descriptions.  (another vote for having a document with basic downgrades
> for each maneuver type for future sequence committees to use.)
>
> If not including the downgrade in the maneuver description changes the
> maneuver that was intended, I also apologize for the oversight.
>
> Stuart
>
> On 8/5/2020 9:06 PM, Daniel Underkofler via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
> I'm with Vince on the center top hat:  no symmetry is specified, so only
> up and down lines must be equal.
>
> I'm with Stuart on the end box top hat from top.  Turnaround
> maneuvers don't need to have equal entry and exit altitudes.  End box top
> hats need only have an identifiable line at top/bottom.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:05 PM Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Of course exit and entry altitude has to be equal.  Therefore both
> vertical lines have to be equal but not necessarily equal to horizontal
> line.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:01 PM Vicente Bortone <vincebrc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I believe there is no requirement if there is no description.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> A judging question:
>
>
>
> You are judging the Masters centered top hat.  Are there requirements for
> the length of lines?
>
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