[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question, plus one of mine

[Atwood, Mark]

Time out…

The maneuver is centered based on where it starts, and where it ends.   When done properly, the center of a symmetrical maneuver is fairly obvious and in the case of the two rolls mentioned, the center of the pause between the two rolls, or in the case of no pause, the transition point.    BUT… if one roll is performed more slowly, that does not mean the maneuver is automatically not centered.   They can still center the maneuver, it’s just no longer at the center of the pause between rolls.    So yes, you can have a maneuver that is downgraded for JUST the roll rate change because it’s still centered.  And another where you need to downgrade for both.

Admittedly, that’s tough to watch for as a judge, but there’s no double jeopardy here.

-M

On Aug 16, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

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If I understand Anthony's post, I have to agree with him on the double jeopardy point.  If the pilot changes roll rate, then, ipso facto, the second roll will be longer (or shorter) than the first roll.  Since that is the case, downgrading for the delta  roll rate and the change in length of roll would be punishing the same error twice.

I have a question of my own: is the "center" of such a maneuver judged as being on the center of the box, or is it judged as a center point of the maneuver, independent of where the center of the box is?  It seems to me that the center of the maneuver and the center of the box should coincide.

Phil Spelt, AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member
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On August 15, 2019 at 10:46 AM Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

The distance from the end of the first roll should be an equal distance from center as the beginning of the second roll, when a pause is present. Variances in roll rate would be a separate downgrade. Changes in roll rate would affect the overall length but would seem to be double jeopardy to downgrade for centering and if the rolls are true slow rolls, approx 3 seconds, very hard to judge.

Anthony


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An interesting judging question came up the other day and I would like to get some feedback from the group.



Are rolling maneuvers, like the current Masters 2 slow rolls reversed, an asymmetrical maneuver?  If the maneuver finishes the first roll just before center (as it should) then changes the roll rate causing the line length of the second roll to be different from the first, should this be considered a centering error in addition to the change in roll rate.



Don



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