[NSRCA-discussion] Election

Sun Dec 30 09:54:32 AKST 2018

Have you pass those thoughts and discussions in writing to the BoD?  I
haven’t seen a single one directly to me by any NSRCA member in regard this
the election process (D5) so I assume all in D5 agree with the election
process as it is.

VB

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 12:21 PM Larry Diamond <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>
wrote:

> Not one time. However, I have discussed my thoughts with members of the
> BoD. On this topic and previously regarding the two previous times.
>
> Does that somehow discredit me?
>
> Reviewing responses to the Discussion group from the BoD and forming an
> opinion based on facts. Does that make me some how inferior as a member? I
> don't believe it does.
>
> I understand the question. I don't agree with what it implies.
>
> Simple enough?
>
> LD
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Vicente Bortone <vincebrc at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/30/18 11:43 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Larry Diamond <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>, General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>
> Larry,
>
> How many times have you been part of the NSRCA BoD?  Just curious and to
> keep it simple.
>
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 10:16 AM Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> Nice John... Did you get the Dossier?
>>
>> On a serious note. For me it isn't about the election. If that is all you
>> get out of this, you aren't listening to the issues. It is about
>> transparency and ethics from this Leadership team.
>>
>> I am of the opinion this group of BoD has lost site of that from the
>> beginning. This isn't the first time the BoD has used this type of decision
>> making to push an agenda, meaning do it their way regardless of By-Laws,
>> Procedures, etc. The result of the prevous two issues disenfranchised good
>> people and in my opinion disrespected them. Is that what you want out of
>> our leadership? Unchecked and unbalanced?
>>
>> For me it's that simple.
>>
>> If decisions keep getting made using this meathodology, the number of
>> members we have will not be enough to support and sustain a SIG.
>>
>> If you are ok with that, certainly your peragitive. I'm not ok with it
>> and that is my peragitive.
>>
>> LD
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Date: 12/30/18 9:29 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
>> Don’t worry guys – the FBI has been watching the list and they are
>> convinced that Russia has influenced the NSRCA elections… LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> John Pavlick
>>
>> Cell: 203-417-4971
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>>
>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> *On
>> Behalf Of *Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2018 9:03 PM
>> *To:* Rick Sweeney <rixsweeney at gmail.com>; Terrence Walker <
>> tewalker10 at yahoo.com>; General pattern discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; Dr. Mike Harrison <
>> drmikedds at sbcglobal.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a discussion group that is an open forum.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is open for differing opinions so that all can express thoughts good
>> and not so good. In agreement or opposing.
>>
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>>
>> What you are promoting is censoring thoughts and views. Impeding 1st
>> amendment rights for Freedom of Speach.
>>
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>>
>> Are we so afraid that we must put up a phony image to attract new pilots
>> by suppressing disagreements? I hate to think where that will take us.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe conflict can be good. Discussions that have been stated on both
>> points of view is not that alarming. I will also submit that this forum
>> will not be the reason people join and stay. It's more about what becomes
>> of the discussions like this that determines the health of pattern.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nobody, that I have read, is looking at a formal grievance process, this
>> thought is rediculous. If a grievance was to be filed, it would need to be
>> with the AMA because the concern being raised is regarding the BoD
>> decisions. I dont think that is the way to go either as I doubt the AMA is
>> interested in overseeing a SIG.
>>
>>
>>
>> And your right, this discussion has ran its course.
>>
>>
>>
>> LD
>>
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>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>>
>> From: Rick Sweeney <rixsweeney at gmail.com>
>>
>> Date: 12/29/18 7:20 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>
>> To: Terrence Walker <tewalker10 at yahoo.com>, General pattern discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, 'Larry Diamond' <
>> ldiamond at diamondrc.com>, "Dr. Mike Harrison" <drmikedds at sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
>>
>>
>> This list should be delegated to promoting pattern, provide positive
>> reinforcement for improvement , help and assist our volunteer’s and show
>> some integrity. Broadcasting grievances against the NSRCA or inserting
>> personal attacks in your missive’s should not be tolerated no matter how
>> right you think you are. We would be better off just shutting this list
>> down than let it continue. I find it disheartening, imagine how a new
>> member who joins the list to gain knowledge and discuss Aerobatics
>> interprets it.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have a grievance, and it means that much to you, privately
>> cultivate a constituency to plead your case and take it up with your DVP.
>> If your getting no response move it up the chain of command until you do.
>> If your case holds water, the BOD can determine a course of action and
>> correction.
>>
>>
>>
>> For 2019 lets show some respect and provide some dignity to the
>> volunteers that help run this show as they certainly deserve it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> Rick Sweeney
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
>> behalf of Terrence Walker via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2018 6:17:38 PM
>> *To:* 'Larry Diamond'; 'General pattern discussion'; Dr. Mike Harrison
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for this post. I wonder what someone from outside the NSRCA
>> would think of all the rhetoric than has transpired on this list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terrence Walker (no relation to Joe Walker).
>>
>>
>>
>> On ‎Saturday‎, ‎December‎ ‎29‎, ‎2018‎ ‎07‎:‎01‎:‎39‎ ‎AM‎ ‎PST, Dr. Mike
>> Harrison via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is all really pitiful.  Regardless the mistakes or the consequences,
>> all of these board members, volunteers, helpers,etc. typically do this at
>> their expense of time, money , effort, etc.  they don’t have to help, they
>> normally are just giving back so that whatever activity can even exist.  Do
>> they make mistakes, of course, lots of them, but they deserve
>> consideration, real respect, and kind responses.  Otherwise they go away
>> and the end result is an even worse outcome.  I have done my share of
>> volunteering and helping.  I have received more than my share of
>> unwarranted abuse from those of differing opinions.  It is offensive and
>> oft times without substantial cause.
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to make clear that the vast majority of the membership do
>> appreciate and benefit greatly from the work and effort that the board or
>> any other volunteer puts forth to make what we have possible.
>>
>> This could have all been handled better.  We will just lose more that are
>> willing to help because of this mess.
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to thank all of you that serve to make our pastime possible.
>>
>> I will probably go off the list. To me it is just negative. It is just so
>> pathetic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Harrison
>>
>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Larry Diamond
>> via NSRCA-discussion
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:23 PM
>> *To:* Stephen Franc <franc.k3ez at gmail.com>; General pattern discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
>>
>>
>> Awesome... lol
>>
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>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
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>> -------- Original message --------
>>
>> From: Stephen Franc via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Date: 12/27/18 3:42 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
>>
>>
>> Just couldn't help myself.  Only a few days left to vote for the
>> candidate of your choice.   Please take note....   there are 3 Walker signs
>> and 3 Stafford signs.
>>
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