[NSRCA-discussion] Election

Sat Dec 29 18:25:40 AKST 2018

I forgot to add, if you can’t make the February 23rd Phoenix contest, you can come and call me an idiot at the Bear Mountain Flyers field on February 9th and 10th. I’ll be running a Pattern Seminar on Saturday the 9th. Agenda will be Trimming, some coaching and hopefully a Judge Certification class. On Sunday, February 10th I’ll be running a 1-day AMA/F3A contest, including the Club Class. So lots of opportunity to let me know I’m an idiot! I do want to stay equal opportunity!

Tony Frackowiak
NSRCA #12

> On Dec 29, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> A lot of what I am seeing now reminds me of Maude Flanders on The Simpsons, "But what about the children!!!"
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> I have been through differences of opinion with the Executives of the NSRCA. I have had them both privately and publicly. When kept privately, it has rarely reached a positive conclusion. It hasn’t always worked out publicly either, but I’m batting better that way.
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> I suppose there are a few exceptions, but I’ll bet the majority of those viewing the list are adults. I would hope that differences of opinion could be discussed without everyone being insulted. But in today’s Participation Award society maybe not.
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> I was at two different flying fields this week and I brought up this issue with the pattern fliers there. The opinion of the vast majority of them was, What do you expect? The NSRCA is an elitist association with a bunch of good ole boys running it that are only interested in maintaining the status quo. I’m paraphrasing a bit but that was the gist of it. And I’m not saying I agree with all of that. Probably some of it though. So I wouldn’t be too sure on what you think is the opinion of the Silent Majority.
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> In my opinion in an organization like the NSRCA transparency is everything. Everything. I can’t for the like of me think of one thing this organization should be keeping from it’s membership. Can you? But let me give you an example. I was considering throwing my hat in the ring for one of the positions up for election. I contacted my DVP to ask who was currently nominated. I wanted to know because if there was already somebody nominated that I could support I wouldn’t bother running. I was told that they would not release that info until the nominations were closed. Huh?? For the life of me I could not figure that one out. That info was not to be released to an NSRCA member? I decided if they felt that much need to control the elections I really didn’t need to bother.
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> We are drawn together, at least I think, because of our love for RC Precision Aerobatics. I don’t think it is because of a love for the NSRCA. In my opinion the NSRCA is only a tool which we can use to improve the activity that we love, RC Aerobatics. From time to time that tool needs to either be modified, or discarded and replaced with a better tool. Not much different then the ongoing evolution of pattern planes. I am never going to walk away from flying and competing in RC Aerobatics because of anything involving the NSRCA. But I am from time to time going to point out what I see as an improper direction the NSRCA might be headed. If that makes me childish to some, then so be it.
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> Everybody have a Happy New Year! If you’re going to the Phoenix contest February 23rd feel free to come on up and tell me what an idiot I am! I’ve certainly been called worse.
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> Tony Frackowiak
> NSRCA #12
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>> On Dec 29, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Henry Pajari via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
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>> Present company excepted of course 😉
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>> Kicken back with my iPad 
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>> On Dec 29, 2018, at 5:46 PM, Maureen Dunphy <maureendunphy4 at gmail.com <mailto:maureendunphy4 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> Hey, Henry, easy on the little old ladies.  LOL
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>>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 7:36 PM Henry Pajari via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>> I don’t normally respond to this kind of childish behavior. Maybe we should have a site called “peevish little old ladies that live to argue and whine about whatever” Then they can argue about snaps, flying downwind, I could have done the contest better but I had a hangnail or whatever they want to argue about at the time. 
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>>> One of the most alarming things I thought I saw is that there are only a little over 400 members of the NSRCA😳. I hope I saw that wrong. 
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>>> The behavior on this forum isn’t going to fix that, in my opinion. 
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>>> I absolutely agree with Rick. The purpose of this forum should be education, promotion, and comradeship of pattern. 
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>>> First subject - how about the incredible cost of entry into pattern?
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>>> Hank
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>>> Kicken back with my iPad 
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>>> On Dec 29, 2018, at 5:20 PM, Rick Sweeney via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
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>>>> This list should be delegated to promoting pattern, provide positive reinforcement for improvement , help and assist our volunteer’s and show some integrity. Broadcasting grievances against the NSRCA or inserting personal attacks in your missive’s should not be tolerated no matter how right you think you are. We would be better off just shutting this list down than let it continue. I find it disheartening, imagine how a new member who joins the list to gain knowledge and discuss Aerobatics interprets it.  
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>>>> If you have a grievance, and it means that much to you, privately cultivate a constituency to plead your case and take it up with your DVP. If your getting no response move it up the chain of command until you do. If your case holds water, the BOD can determine a course of action and correction.
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>>>> For 2019 lets show some respect and provide some dignity to the volunteers that help run this show as they certainly deserve it.
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>>>> Sincerely
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>>>> Rick Sweeney    
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>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
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>>>> From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> on behalf of Terrence Walker via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 6:17:38 PM
>>>> To: 'Larry Diamond'; 'General pattern discussion'; Dr. Mike Harrison
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
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>>>> Mike, 
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>>>> Thank you for this post. I wonder what someone from outside the NSRCA would think of all the rhetoric than has transpired on this list. 
>>>> 
>>>> Terrence Walker (no relation to Joe Walker).
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>>>> On ‎Saturday‎, ‎December‎ ‎29‎, ‎2018‎ ‎07‎:‎01‎:‎39‎ ‎AM‎ ‎PST, Dr. Mike Harrison via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
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>>>> This is all really pitiful.  Regardless the mistakes or the consequences, all of these board members, volunteers, helpers,etc. typically do this at their expense of time, money , effort, etc.  they don’t have to help, they normally are just giving back so that whatever activity can even exist.  Do they make mistakes, of course, lots of them, but they deserve consideration, real respect, and kind responses.  Otherwise they go away and the end result is an even worse outcome.  I have done my share of volunteering and helping.  I have received more than my share of unwarranted abuse from those of differing opinions.  It is offensive and oft times without substantial cause. 
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>>>> I want to make clear that the vast majority of the membership do appreciate and benefit greatly from the work and effort that the board or any other volunteer puts forth to make what we have possible. 
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>>>> This could have all been handled better.  We will just lose more that are willing to help because of this mess.  <>
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>>>> I want to thank all of you that serve to make our pastime possible.
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>>>> I will probably go off the list. To me it is just negative. It is just so pathetic. 
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>>>>  
>>>> Mike Harrison
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>>>> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:23 PM
>>>> To: Stephen Franc <franc.k3ez at gmail.com <mailto:franc.k3ez at gmail.com>>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
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>>>> Awesome... lol
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>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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>>>> From: Stephen Franc via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
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>>>> Date: 12/27/18 3:42 PM (GMT-06:00)
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>>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
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>>>> Just couldn't help myself.  Only a few days left to vote for the candidate of your choice.   Please take note....   there are 3 Walker signs and 3 Stafford signs.
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