[NSRCA-discussion] Election

Mon Dec 24 11:17:17 AKST 2018

Got it.

On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 12:40 PM Joe Walker <vellum2 at bellsouth.net wrote:

> A great point Maureen.  With the implementation of electronic voting, that
> part of the process is automated and verified with system itself when you
> log in.  The electronic record as well as any hand ballots that are mailed
> will be third party verified, as required by the current by-laws.
>
> Joe Walker
>
> On Monday, December 24, 2018, 4:30:58 AM EST, Maureen Dunphy via
> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>
> Why aren't the votes sent to a third party?
>
> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 11:44 AM Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org wrote:
>
> Pete,
>
> Please explain why any counting of the votes was even done prior to the
> close of voting. Also, I never received any information that the vote was
> close. Right there it is improper as the K-Factor is supposed to be the
> only “official” form of communication to the entire membership.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
> On Dec 23, 2018, at 8:56 AM, Cliff Bradford via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> If and only if the Board members met in secret and discussed the election
> I could see a issue that the election possibly wasn’t fair and it could be
> concluded that it was tainted,
> But that isn’t what happened!!!
> Any member worthy of a position in the nsrca is following the election,
> it’s not a secret, EVERYONE KNOWS ITS CLOSE.  The discussion during a board
> meeting that results were close and might require a runoff is/was made
> public. Because the discussion was made public I see no issue or unfair
> advantage to any member.The Board can’t change anyone’s vote.
>
> And By the Way :
> MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 9:40 AM Vogel, Peter <Peter_Vogel at intuit.com>
> wrote:
>
> I would agree with you if that were the case Dave, but...
>
> Disclaimer: I was not at the board meeting in question however...
>
> If the knowledge that “the vote is very close” had been kept secret to the
> board, THEN we would have an ethics issue as it would allow the incumbent
> candidate to sway things.  However, the action the board took was to tell
> *everyone* via this list, district lists, AND Facebook “the vote is close,
> voting closes on Dec 31st” to encourage participation of the entire
> membership.  In my mind that’s not trying to sway the vote as it is telling
> everyone the same thing, regardless of which candidate they support.
>
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
> behalf of davel322--- via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:23 AM
> *To:* 'Cliff Bradford'; 'General pattern discussion'; 'Larry Diamond'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>
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>
> If one candidate is aware of the vote count, and another candidate is not
> aware of the vote count, is that fair?  Does one candidate have an
> advantage?
>
>
>
> If one candidate has an unfair advantage due to structural administrative
> process/error…..the election is tainted.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> *On
> Behalf Of *Cliff Bradford via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:25 AM
> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>;
> Larry Diamond <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>
>
>
> There are only 410 nsrca members, voting electronically assures you must
> be logged in and can only vote once. I’m sure any mail in ballots will be
> verified for membership and authenticity. As long as we don’t receive 411
> or more ballots I see no issue.
>
> I think it is the boards duty to keep track of the election process. To
> think that it’s possibe to sway the election by knowing its a close
> election is silly. In fact it may incourage a higher participation
> percentage and that is all good.
>
> The board cannot change the ballots.
>
> We are a very small group and getting smaller because of things like this.
> I’m good with the election as it stands, if the board caves to the peer
> pressure and tosses this one, it would not change my vote. Would it change
> yours?  That would be more damaging than the board discussion about how
> close the election was.
>
> Perhaps we should contact the FBI to investigate any possible
> consequences!!!
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 8:07 AM Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Almost feels like a lynching of the election.
>
>
>
> If the real time vote tallies were not compromised, would everyone still
> think the Election should be voided? I would not. However, we may still
> have an integrity or ethics issue the BoD needs to deal with it, if a BoD
> member made such a comment as it is reckless to imply knowledge of the
> ongoing results. If it was not a BoD member that made the comment, then
> freedom of speech prevails and it’s a non-issue.
>
>
>
> We need to know the facts. The BoD needs to take control and investigate
> it. If the facts are that the count was compromised, then the results
> should be voided and a new voting period began.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Larry Diamond
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Ken Dunlap via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:08 AM
> *To:* David Harmon <k6xyz at sbcglobal.net>; General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>
>
>
> +1
>
>
>
> This is wrong at so many levels. Let’s void this election. You just don’t
> start tallying ballots before the election closes.
>
>
>
> Ken Dunlap
>
>
>
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
> behalf of David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:07:03 PM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>
>
>
> Plus 2 or 3 or 16…..jeeeze…
>
>
>
> *David Harmon*
>
> *NSRCA 586*
>
> *AMA 5053*
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jon Bruml via
> NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:54 PM
> *To:* Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>; Frackowiak Tony <
> frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>; General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>
>
>
> Yes agreed
>
>
>
> We will have to nullify the election and start a new process
>
>
>
> Jonathan Bruml
>
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
> behalf of Pete Cosky via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:52 PM
> *To:* Frackowiak Tony; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>
>
>
> It may be the end of days because I agree with Frak.
>
>
>
> There is absolutely no reason why the data should have been available let
> alone discussed.
>
>
>
> The big question now is how do we recover?
>
> Sent from my mobile device
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> I’m sorry that you don’t see the impropriety here. You have an incumbent
> officer running for re-election able to see just how close the election is
> and then being able to drum up more votes for himself.
>
>
>
> This election is now tainted. No one should be able to see the vote tally
> before the voting period has ended. The election should be nullified, the
> party or parties involved in releasing the vote tally prior to the
> conclusion of voting should be censured and removed from the process. The
> election should be held again and the voting results sent to an outside
> party. After the end of their normal term no decisions should be made by
> the BOD until a proper election can be held and the newly elected officers
> installed.
>
>
>
> Should we as NSRCA members not be allowed a fair election?
>
>
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Monte Richard <
> mrichard at compassengineering.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> The discussion was centered around the fact that the voting was close to
> encourage the district Vice Presidents to encourage the members in their
> districts to cast their votes. It appears to have worked as this election
> looks like it will have the highest voter turnout in NSRCA history.
> Certainly a lot higher then the previous election which only had a voter
> turnout of 12 members.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrcaorg <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>
> I was looking at the minutes of the December 12th NSRCA BOD meeting.
> During that meeting according to the minutes there was a discussion about
> the current vote count in the election.
>
>
>
> Isn’t voting open until the end of the month?  And isn’t there a longer
> time for mailed in ballots to be received? Why are the votes being tallied
> and discussed by the Board before the end of the voting period?
>
>
>
> That is highly unethical and smacks of voting fraud. At the very least it
> sounds like an attempt to influence the results.
>
>
>
> I will await a reply.
>
>
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
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