[NSRCA-discussion] Election

[Maureen Dunphy]

Why aren't the votes sent to a third party?

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 11:44 AM Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org wrote:

> Pete,
>
> Please explain why any counting of the votes was even done prior to the
> close of voting. Also, I never received any information that the vote was
> close. Right there it is improper as the K-Factor is supposed to be the
> only “official” form of communication to the entire membership.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
> On Dec 23, 2018, at 8:56 AM, Cliff Bradford via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> If and only if the Board members met in secret and discussed the election
> I could see a issue that the election possibly wasn’t fair and it could be
> concluded that it was tainted,
> But that isn’t what happened!!!
> Any member worthy of a position in the nsrca is following the election,
> it’s not a secret, EVERYONE KNOWS ITS CLOSE.  The discussion during a board
> meeting that results were close and might require a runoff is/was made
> public. Because the discussion was made public I see no issue or unfair
> advantage to any member.The Board can’t change anyone’s vote.
>
> And By the Way :
> MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 9:40 AM Vogel, Peter <Peter_Vogel at intuit.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I would agree with you if that were the case Dave, but...
>>
>> Disclaimer: I was not at the board meeting in question however...
>>
>> If the knowledge that “the vote is very close” had been kept secret to
>> the board, THEN we would have an ethics issue as it would allow the
>> incumbent candidate to sway things.  However, the action the board took was
>> to tell *everyone* via this list, district lists, AND Facebook “the vote is
>> close, voting closes on Dec 31st” to encourage participation of the entire
>> membership.  In my mind that’s not trying to sway the vote as it is telling
>> everyone the same thing, regardless of which candidate they support.
>>
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>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
>> behalf of davel322--- via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:23 AM
>> *To:* 'Cliff Bradford'; 'General pattern discussion'; 'Larry Diamond'
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
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>> If one candidate is aware of the vote count, and another candidate is not
>> aware of the vote count, is that fair?  Does one candidate have an
>> advantage?
>>
>>
>>
>> If one candidate has an unfair advantage due to structural administrative
>> process/error…..the election is tainted.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> *On
>> Behalf Of *Cliff Bradford via NSRCA-discussion
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:25 AM
>> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>;
>> Larry Diamond <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
>>
>>
>> There are only 410 nsrca members, voting electronically assures you must
>> be logged in and can only vote once. I’m sure any mail in ballots will be
>> verified for membership and authenticity. As long as we don’t receive 411
>> or more ballots I see no issue.
>>
>> I think it is the boards duty to keep track of the election process. To
>> think that it’s possibe to sway the election by knowing its a close
>> election is silly. In fact it may incourage a higher participation
>> percentage and that is all good.
>>
>> The board cannot change the ballots.
>>
>> We are a very small group and getting smaller because of things like
>> this. I’m good with the election as it stands, if the board caves to the
>> peer pressure and tosses this one, it would not change my vote. Would it
>> change yours?  That would be more damaging than the board discussion about
>> how close the election was.
>>
>> Perhaps we should contact the FBI to investigate any possible
>> consequences!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 8:07 AM Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> Almost feels like a lynching of the election.
>>
>>
>>
>> If the real time vote tallies were not compromised, would everyone still
>> think the Election should be voided? I would not. However, we may still
>> have an integrity or ethics issue the BoD needs to deal with it, if a BoD
>> member made such a comment as it is reckless to imply knowledge of the
>> ongoing results. If it was not a BoD member that made the comment, then
>> freedom of speech prevails and it’s a non-issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> We need to know the facts. The BoD needs to take control and investigate
>> it. If the facts are that the count was compromised, then the results
>> should be voided and a new voting period began.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry Diamond
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *Ken Dunlap via NSRCA-discussion
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:08 AM
>> *To:* David Harmon <k6xyz at sbcglobal.net>; General pattern discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>>
>> This is wrong at so many levels. Let’s void this election. You just don’t
>> start tallying ballots before the election closes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ken Dunlap
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
>> behalf of David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:07:03 PM
>> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
>>
>>
>> Plus 2 or 3 or 16…..jeeeze…
>>
>>
>>
>> *David Harmon*
>>
>> *NSRCA 586*
>>
>> *AMA 5053*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jon Bruml via
>> NSRCA-discussion
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:54 PM
>> *To:* Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>; Frackowiak Tony <
>> frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>; General pattern discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes agreed
>>
>>
>>
>> We will have to nullify the election and start a new process
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan Bruml
>>
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>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
>> behalf of Pete Cosky via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:52 PM
>> *To:* Frackowiak Tony; General pattern discussion
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election
>>
>>
>>
>> It may be the end of days because I agree with Frak.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is absolutely no reason why the data should have been available let
>> alone discussed.
>>
>>
>>
>> The big question now is how do we recover?
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device
>>
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> I’m sorry that you don’t see the impropriety here. You have an incumbent
>> officer running for re-election able to see just how close the election is
>> and then being able to drum up more votes for himself.
>>
>>
>>
>> This election is now tainted. No one should be able to see the vote tally
>> before the voting period has ended. The election should be nullified, the
>> party or parties involved in releasing the vote tally prior to the
>> conclusion of voting should be censured and removed from the process. The
>> election should be held again and the voting results sent to an outside
>> party. After the end of their normal term no decisions should be made by
>> the BOD until a proper election can be held and the newly elected officers
>> installed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Should we as NSRCA members not be allowed a fair election?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Frackowiak
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Monte Richard <
>> mrichard at compassengineering.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The discussion was centered around the fact that the voting was close to
>> encourage the district Vice Presidents to encourage the members in their
>> districts to cast their votes. It appears to have worked as this election
>> looks like it will have the highest voter turnout in NSRCA history.
>> Certainly a lot higher then the previous election which only had a voter
>> turnout of 12 members.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrcaorg <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I was looking at the minutes of the December 12th NSRCA BOD meeting.
>> During that meeting according to the minutes there was a discussion about
>> the current vote count in the election.
>>
>>
>>
>> Isn’t voting open until the end of the month?  And isn’t there a longer
>> time for mailed in ballots to be received? Why are the votes being tallied
>> and discussed by the Board before the end of the voting period?
>>
>>
>>
>> That is highly unethical and smacks of voting fraud. At the very least it
>> sounds like an attempt to influence the results.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will await a reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Frackowiak
>>
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