<div dir="auto">Why aren't the votes sent to a third party?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 11:44 AM Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Pete,<div><br></div><div>Please explain why any counting of the votes was even done prior to the close of voting. Also, I never received any information that the vote was close. Right there it is improper as the K-Factor is supposed to be the only “official” form of communication to the entire membership. <br><br><div id="m_-2468665274513903274m_-2158769767177158051AppleMailSignature">Tony Frackowiak </div><div><br>On Dec 23, 2018, at 8:56 AM, Cliff Bradford via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div dir="auto">If and only if the Board members met in secret and discussed the election I could see a issue that the election possibly wasn’t fair and it could be concluded that it was tainted, </div></div><div dir="auto">But that isn’t what happened!!! </div><div dir="auto">Any member worthy of a position in the nsrca is following the election, it’s not a secret, EVERYONE KNOWS ITS CLOSE. The discussion during a board meeting that results were close and might require a runoff is/was made public. Because the discussion was made public I see no issue or unfair advantage to any member.The Board can’t change anyone’s vote. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And By the Way : </div><div dir="auto">MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 9:40 AM Vogel, Peter <<a href="mailto:Peter_Vogel@intuit.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Peter_Vogel@intuit.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="direction:ltr">I would agree with you if that were the case Dave, but...</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">If the knowledge that “the vote is very close” had been kept secret to the board, THEN we would have an ethics issue as it would allow the incumbent candidate to sway things. However, the action the board took was to tell *everyone*
via this list, district lists, AND Facebook “the vote is close, voting closes on Dec 31st” to encourage participation of the entire membership. In my mind that’s not trying to sway the vote as it is telling everyone the same thing, regardless of which candidate
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<p class="MsoNormal">If one candidate is aware of the vote count, and another candidate is not aware of the vote count, is that fair? Does one candidate have an advantage?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If one candidate has an unfair advantage due to structural administrative process/error…..the election is tainted.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are only 410 nsrca members, voting electronically assures you must be logged in and can only vote once. I’m sure any mail in ballots will be verified for membership and authenticity. As long as we don’t receive 411 or more ballots
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think it is the boards duty to keep track of the election process. To think that it’s possibe to sway the election by knowing its a close election is silly. In fact it may incourage a higher participation percentage and that is all good. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are a very small group and getting smaller because of things like this. I’m good with the election as it stands, if the board caves to the peer pressure and tosses this one, it would not change my vote. Would it change yours? That would
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Almost feels like a lynching of the election.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">If the real time vote tallies were not compromised, would everyone still think the Election should be voided? I would not. However, we may still have an integrity or ethics issue the BoD needs to deal
with it, if a BoD member made such a comment as it is reckless to imply knowledge of the ongoing results. If it was not a BoD member that made the comment, then freedom of speech prevails and it’s a non-issue.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">We need to know the facts. The BoD needs to take control and investigate it. If the facts are that the count was compromised, then the results should be voided and a new voting period began.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is absolutely no reason why the data should have been available let alone discussed.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m sorry that you don’t see the impropriety here. You have an incumbent officer running for re-election able to see just how close the election is and then being able to drum up more votes for himself.
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<p class="MsoNormal">This election is now tainted. No one should be able to see the vote tally before the voting period has ended. The election should be nullified, the party or parties involved in releasing the vote tally prior to the conclusion of
voting should be censured and removed from the process. The election should be held again and the voting results sent to an outside party. After the end of their normal term no decisions should be made by the BOD until a proper election can be held and the
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<p class="MsoNormal">Should we as NSRCA members not be allowed a fair election?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">The discussion was centered around the fact that the voting was close to encourage the district Vice Presidents to encourage the members in their
districts to cast their votes. It appears to have worked as this election looks like it will have the highest voter turnout in NSRCA history. Certainly a lot higher then the previous election which only had a voter turnout of 12 members.</span></p>
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