[NSRCA-discussion] Election

[John Ford]

I think that you cannot automatically apply general election standards to all organizations equally. The NSCRA by-laws are NOT specific about any of these standards. There is no requirement that the ballots be private, and the tally by a 3rd party is a “should”, not a “shall”, and communication of election data is not tied to a particular step in the election process. At the very most, this may be a reason for the next BOD to review the election process in the by-laws. 
There are plenty of non-profit organizations that hold elections in many ways, spanning from “show of hands”, all the way to extreme application of Robert’s Rules of Order. It doesn’t mean that the “show of hands” clubs are unethical, even though such elections are soaked in peer pressure and social awkwardness…it’s in their by-laws, and that’s how they do it. It is what it is. 

We are somewhere closer to the “show of hands” end, it seems. If we don’t like the process in our by-laws, that’s a separate issue.

Rather than see dark shadows in the actions of well-intentioned volunteers, I choose to think that the current process is within the by-laws.

John

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From: Ken Dunlap via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:08 AM
To: David Harmon; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election

+1

This is wrong at so many levels. Let’s void this election. You just don’t start tallying ballots before the election closes. 

Ken Dunlap 

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From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:07:03 PM
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Plus 2 or 3 or 16…..jeeeze…

David Harmon
NSRCA 586
AMA 5053

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:54 PM
To: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>; Frackowiak Tony <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election

Yes agreed 

We will have to nullify the election and start a new process 

Jonathan Bruml
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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:52 PM
To: Frackowiak Tony; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election 
 
It may be the end of days because I agree with Frak.  

There is absolutely no reason why the data should have been available let alone discussed.  

The big question now is how do we recover? 
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On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
I’m sorry that you don’t see the impropriety here. You have an incumbent officer running for re-election able to see just how close the election is and then being able to drum up more votes for himself. 

This election is now tainted. No one should be able to see the vote tally before the voting period has ended. The election should be nullified, the party or parties involved in releasing the vote tally prior to the conclusion of voting should be censured and removed from the process. The election should be held again and the voting results sent to an outside party. After the end of their normal term no decisions should be made by the BOD until a proper election can be held and the newly elected officers installed.

Should we as NSRCA members not be allowed a fair election?

Tony Frackowiak


On Dec 22, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Monte Richard <mrichard at compassengineering.com> wrote:

The discussion was centered around the fact that the voting was close to encourage the district Vice Presidents to encourage the members in their districts to cast their votes. It appears to have worked as this election looks like it will have the highest voter turnout in NSRCA history. Certainly a lot higher then the previous election which only had a voter turnout of 12 members.
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On Dec 22, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrcaorg> wrote:
I was looking at the minutes of the December 12th NSRCA BOD meeting. During that meeting according to the minutes there was a discussion about the current vote count in the election.  

Isn’t voting open until the end of the month?  And isn’t there a longer time for mailed in ballots to be received? Why are the votes being tallied and discussed by the Board before the end of the voting period?

That is highly unethical and smacks of voting fraud. At the very least it sounds like an attempt to influence the results. 

I will await a reply. 

Tony Frackowiak 
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