[NSRCA-discussion] Power points

Fri Oct 13 10:17:21 AKDT 2017

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From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Reply-To: Joe Lachowski <jlachow at hotmail.com>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, October 13, 2017 at 11:13 AM
To: John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points

Isn't there supposed to be a straight line between each maneuver?

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From: John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 11:09 AM
To: Joe Lachowski; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points

The shark's tooth starts as vertical as any maneuver available. Not seeing a pinch point.

On 10/13/2017 11:58 AM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion wrote:

The cobra roll takes up most of the box creating somewhat of a pinch point at the turnaround and that is complicated by the snap on the back side of the cobra. A vertical maneuver would have been more appropriate.

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From: John Gayer <jgg215a at comcast.net><mailto:jgg215a at comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 10:49 AM
To: Joe Lachowski; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points

What's wrong with the Shark's tooth?

On 10/13/2017 9:46 AM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion wrote:

And haven't had a chance to fly it and provide constructive feedback. I say we give everyone at least two weeks to evaluate it one more time.

By the way the Advanced sequence isn't exactly perfect either. Something other than a Sharks tooth would have been  more appropriate after the cobra roll.

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From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:44 PM
To: vellum2 at bellsouth.net<mailto:vellum2 at bellsouth.net>; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points

How else does the membership approve the sequences? Until today, we haven't even seen Masters, much less approved it.

Jon

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On Thursday, October 12, 2017 S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

Joe,

I don't see anything about a 'vote' in the posted rule.  If a vote were required there would need to be some requirements regarding how...e mail?  Mail in ballot?...and a requirement concerning time period and voter qualifications.  Seems clear that a vote by the general membership was never intended.

And, as Jon Carter wrote, we have never in recent history voted on sequences.

Scott

On October 12, 2017 at 6:24 PM J via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

This one?

The Radio Control Aerobatics sequences will be developed periodically by the National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA) Sequence Committee which is appointed by the NSRCA Board of Directors.

This is done.

The NSRCA Board of Directors will supervise the sequence development and will submit the proposed sequences to the membership for approval before they approve all sequences for use in RCA competition.

This is done.  It’s the survey, with very specific commentary that has been reviewed, modifications made, and now approved by the BoD. It was submitted to over 3000 people actually.  I see no voting requirement here. I look at the process as going above and beyond this requirement by simplifying some of the maneuvers as a result of the survey.

All current sequences can be found at the NSRCA website. The NSRCA will modify the sequences for classes 401, 402 and 403, Indoor R/C Aerobatics Sportsman and Indoor R/C Aerobatics Intermediate at least every four years and the sequence for class 404 will be modified at least Academy of Model Aeronautics Competition Regulations | Radio Control Aerobatics 17 every two years, but sequences may be updated more frequently as required. Sequences will be published no later than December for the following year. A description of each maneuver for all sequences can be found on the NSRCA website at: http://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences.

This appears to align exactly with the process we have now completed. In fact we will now be a month ahead of schedule if we get everything posted by the end of the week.

What am I missing?

Joe

On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com<mailto:jonlowe at aol.com>> wrote:

No! It is an NSRCA responsibility. It specifically says the NSRCA BOD will submit it to the membership for a vote.. Paragraph 15 of the rule book.

Jon

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On Thursday, October 12, 2017 Joe Walker <vellum2 at bellsouth.net<mailto:vellum2 at bellsouth.net>> wrote:
That's an AMA vote Jon, not an NSRCA vote, so we have no control over that process.  Do we?

These are the official patterns being submitted as outlined for the NSRCA responsibilities.

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:24 PM, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com<mailto:jonlowe at aol.com>> wrote:

Sorry Joe, the AMA rule book trump's the charter. It REQUIRES the membership to vote on them.  I've sent you the appropriate language from the AMA rule book at least twice. Until we vote, they cannot be implemented by the board.
Jon

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On Thursday, October 12, 2017 Joe Walker <vellum2 at bellsouth.net<mailto:vellum2 at bellsouth.net>> wrote:
Good morning guys, the board reviewed everything last night and will publish the final sequences this week.  Just so we are all on the same page, the official approval process is listed below (Directly from the charter) and is on the website for everyone to review if you're so inclined.

The Power Points are being produced right now by Jim Hiller (Thanks Jim!)

Thanks!

Joe Walker

  1.  Approval Process
Each new sequence, or change to a sequence, shall be submitted to the General Membership and public for their review. The BoD shall approve publication of sequences on the NSRCA website for membership/public review and comment. The committee shall update their proposed sequences/changes, if required, and submit it in final form to the BoD. The BoD shall designate the Committee to prepare any inputs necessary to support the sequence changes. Recommended changes to the maneuver descriptions and judging criteria shall be coordinated with the NSRCA Rules Committee (if necessary). Any changes to the Sequence Development Guide will be made by the Committee Chairperson and submitted to the BoD for approval. Once a final set of sequences is approved by the BoD it shall be published in the K-Factor and posted on the NSRCA website.

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:40 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

We haven't voted on the sequences yet. Until we do, assuming they pass, the board can't implement them. Anything now is unofficial. At this point, AFAIK, the sequences to vote on haven't been finalized.
Jon

On Oct 10, 2017 9:01 AM, Randy Forbus via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
Are the powerpoint for the new sequences coming out soon.

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