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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Joe Lachowski <jlachow@hotmail.com>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, October 13, 2017 at 11:13 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>John Gayer <jgghome@comcast.net>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Isn't there supposed to be a straight line between each maneuver?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> John Gayer <jgghome@comcast.net><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 13, 2017 11:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Joe Lachowski; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The shark's tooth starts as vertical as any maneuver available. Not seeing a pinch point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">On 10/13/2017 11:58 AM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The cobra roll takes up most of the box creating somewhat of a pinch point at the turnaround and that is complicated by the snap on the back side of the cobra. A vertical maneuver would have been more appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> John Gayer
<a href="mailto:jgg215a@comcast.net"><jgg215a@comcast.net></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 13, 2017 10:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Joe Lachowski; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">What's wrong with the Shark's tooth?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">And haven't had a chance to fly it and provide constructive feedback. I say we give everyone at least two weeks to evaluate it one more time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">By the way the Advanced sequence isn't exactly perfect either. Something other than a Sharks tooth would have been more appropriate after the cobra roll.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net">vellum2@bellsouth.net</a>; <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">How else does the membership approve the sequences? Until today, we haven't even seen Masters, much less approved it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Joe,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">I don't see anything about a 'vote' in the posted rule. If a vote were required there would need to be some requirements regarding how...e mail? Mail in ballot?...and a requirement
concerning time period and voter qualifications. Seems clear that a vote by the general membership was never intended.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">And, as Jon Carter wrote, we have never in recent history voted on sequences.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">This is done</span></strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The NSRCA Board of Directors will supervise the sequence development and will submit the proposed sequences to the membership for approval before they approve all sequences for use in RCA competition. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">This is done. It’s the survey, with very specific commentary that has been reviewed, modifications made, and now approved by the BoD. It was submitted
to over 3000 people actually. I see no voting requirement here. I look at the process as going above and beyond this requirement by simplifying some of the maneuvers as a result of the survey. </span></strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">All current sequences can be found at the NSRCA website. The NSRCA will modify the sequences for classes 401, 402 and 403, Indoor R/C Aerobatics Sportsman and Indoor R/C Aerobatics Intermediate
at least every four years and the sequence for class 404 will be modified at least Academy of Model Aeronautics Competition Regulations | Radio Control Aerobatics 17 every two years, but sequences may be updated more frequently as required. Sequences will
be published no later than December for the following year. A description of each maneuver for all sequences can be found on the NSRCA website at: <a href="http://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences" target="_blank">http://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">This appears to align exactly with the process we have now completed. In fact we will now be a month ahead of schedule if we get everything posted by the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">What am I missing?</span></strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">No! It is an NSRCA responsibility. It specifically says the NSRCA BOD will submit it to the membership for a vote.. Paragraph 15 of the rule book.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Each new sequence, or change to a sequence, shall be submitted to the General Membership and public for their review. The BoD shall approve publication of sequences on the NSRCA
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