[NSRCA-discussion] Power points

[John Gayer]

The shark's tooth starts as vertical as any maneuver available. Not 
seeing a pinch point.


On 10/13/2017 11:58 AM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
> The cobra roll takes up most of the box creating somewhat of a pinch 
> point at the turnaround and that is complicated by the snap on the 
> back side of the cobra. A vertical maneuver would have been more 
> appropriate.
>
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> *From:* John Gayer <jgg215a at comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 10:49 AM
> *To:* Joe Lachowski; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points
>
> What's wrong with the Shark's tooth?
>
>
> On 10/13/2017 9:46 AM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
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>> And haven't had a chance to fly it and provide constructive feedback. 
>> I say we give everyone at least two weeks to evaluate it one more time.
>>
>>
>> By the way the Advanced sequence isn't exactly perfect either. 
>> Something other than a Sharks tooth would have been  more appropriate 
>> after the cobra roll.
>>
>>
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>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
>> on behalf of Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion 
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:44 PM
>> *To:* vellum2 at bellsouth.net; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points
>>
>> How else does the membership approve the sequences? Until today, we 
>> haven't even seen Masters, much less approved it.
>>
>> Jon
>>
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>> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion 
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> Joe,
>>
>>
>> I don't see anything about a 'vote' in the posted rule.  If a vote 
>> were required there would need to be some requirements regarding 
>> how...e mail?  Mail in ballot?...and a requirement concerning time 
>> period and voter qualifications.  Seems clear that a vote by the 
>> general membership was never intended.
>>
>> And, as Jon Carter wrote, we have never in recent history voted on 
>> sequences.
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>     On October 12, 2017 at 6:24 PM J via NSRCA-discussion
>>     <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>     <mailto:discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     This one?
>>
>>     The Radio Control Aerobatics sequences will be developed
>>     periodically by the National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics
>>     (NSRCA) Sequence Committee which is appointed by the NSRCA Board
>>     of Directors.
>>
>>     *This is done*.
>>
>>     The NSRCA Board of Directors will supervise the sequence
>>     development and will submit the proposed sequences to the
>>     membership for approval before they approve all sequences for use
>>     in RCA competition.
>>
>>     *This is done.  It’s the survey, with very specific commentary
>>     that has been reviewed, modifications made, and now approved by
>>     the BoD. It was submitted to over 3000 people actually.  I see no
>>     voting requirement here. I look at the process as going above and
>>     beyond this requirement by simplifying some of the maneuvers as a
>>     result of the survey. *
>>
>>     All current sequences can be found at the NSRCA website. The
>>     NSRCA will modify the sequences for classes 401, 402 and 403,
>>     Indoor R/C Aerobatics Sportsman and Indoor R/C Aerobatics
>>     Intermediate at least every four years and the sequence for class
>>     404 will be modified at least Academy of Model Aeronautics
>>     Competition Regulations | Radio Control Aerobatics 17 every two
>>     years, but sequences may be updated more frequently as required.
>>     Sequences will be published no later than December for the
>>     following year. A description of each maneuver for all sequences
>>     can be found on the NSRCA website at:
>>     http://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences.
>>
>>
>>
>>     *This appears to align exactly with the process we have now
>>     completed. In fact we will now be a month ahead of schedule if we
>>     get everything posted by the end of the week. *
>>     *
>>     *
>>     *What am I missing?*
>>
>>     Joe
>>
>>     On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com
>>     <mailto:jonlowe at aol.com>> wrote:
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>>     No! It is an NSRCA responsibility. It specifically says the NSRCA
>>     BOD will submit it to the membership for a vote.. Paragraph 15 of
>>     the rule book.
>>
>>     Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     On Thursday, October 12, 2017 Joe Walker <vellum2 at bellsouth.net
>>     <mailto:vellum2 at bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     That's an AMA vote Jon, not an NSRCA vote, so we have no control
>>     over that process.  Do we?
>>
>>     These are the official patterns being submitted as outlined for
>>     the NSRCA responsibilities.
>>
>>
>>     On Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:24 PM, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com
>>     <mailto:jonlowe at aol.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Sorry Joe, the AMA rule book trump's the charter. It REQUIRES the
>>     membership to vote on them.  I've sent you the appropriate
>>     language from the AMA rule book at least twice. Until we vote,
>>     they cannot be implemented by the board.
>>     Jon
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     On Thursday, October 12, 2017 Joe Walker <vellum2 at bellsouth.net
>>     <mailto:vellum2 at bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>>     Good morning guys, the board reviewed everything last night and
>>     will publish the final sequences this week.  Just so we are all
>>     on the same page, the official approval process is listed below
>>     (Directly from the charter) and is on the website for everyone to
>>     review if you're so inclined.
>>
>>     The Power Points are being produced right now by Jim Hiller
>>     (Thanks Jim!)
>>
>>     Thanks!
>>
>>     Joe Walker
>>
>>
>>
>>     0.
>>         Approval Process
>>         Each new sequence, or change to a sequence, shall be
>>         submitted to the General Membership and public for their
>>         review. The BoD shall approve publication of sequences on the
>>         NSRCA website for membership/public review and comment. The
>>         committee shall update their proposed sequences/changes, if
>>         required, and submit it in final form to the BoD. The BoD
>>         shall designate the Committee to prepare any inputs necessary
>>         to support the sequence changes. Recommended changes to the
>>         maneuver descriptions and judging criteria shall be
>>         coordinated with the NSRCA Rules Committee (if necessary).
>>         Any changes to the Sequence Development Guide will be made by
>>         the Committee Chairperson and submitted to the BoD for
>>         approval. Once a final set of sequences is approved by the
>>         BoD it shall be published in the K-Factor and posted on the
>>         NSRCA website.
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:40 PM, Jon Lowe via
>>     NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>     <mailto:discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     We haven't voted on the sequences yet. Until we do, assuming they
>>     pass, the board can't implement them. Anything now is unofficial.
>>     At this point, AFAIK, the sequences to vote on haven't been
>>     finalized.
>>
>>     Jon
>>
>>     On Oct 10, 2017 9:01 AM, Randy Forbus via NSRCA-discussion
>>     <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>     <mailto:discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Are the powerpoint for the new sequences coming out soon.
>>
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