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<p>The shark's tooth starts as vertical as any maneuver available.
Not seeing a pinch point.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2017 11:58 AM, Joe Lachowski
via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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<p><span>The cobra roll takes up most of the box creating
somewhat of a pinch point at the turnaround and that is
complicated by the snap on the back side of the cobra. A
vertical maneuver would have been more appropriate.</span></p>
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John Gayer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jgg215a@comcast.net"><jgg215a@comcast.net></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 13, 2017 10:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Joe Lachowski; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points</font>
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<p>What's wrong with the Shark's tooth?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2017 9:46 AM, Joe
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<p>And haven't had a chance to fly it and provide
constructive feedback. I say we give everyone at least
two weeks to evaluate it one more time.</p>
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<p>By the way the Advanced sequence isn't exactly
perfect either. Something other than a Sharks tooth
would have been more appropriate after the cobra
roll.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">How else does the membership approve
the sequences? Until today, we haven't even seen
Masters, much less approved it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jon</p>
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Joe,</p>
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I don't see anything about a 'vote' in the
posted rule. If a vote were required there
would need to be some requirements regarding
how...e mail? Mail in ballot?...and a
requirement concerning time period and voter
qualifications. Seems clear that a vote by
the general membership was never intended.</p>
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And, as Jon Carter wrote, we have never in
recent history voted on sequences.</p>
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Scott</p>
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<blockquote>On October 12, 2017 at 6:24 PM J via
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wrote:<br>
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This one?
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<div class="ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default">The
Radio Control Aerobatics sequences will
be developed periodically by the
National Society of Radio Control
Aerobatics (NSRCA) Sequence Committee
which is appointed by the NSRCA Board of
Directors. </div>
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<div class="ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default"><strong>This
is done</strong>. </div>
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<div class="ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default">The
NSRCA Board of Directors will supervise
the sequence development and will submit
the proposed sequences to the membership
for approval before they approve all
sequences for use in RCA competition. </div>
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<div class="ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default"><strong>This
is done. It’s the survey, with very
specific commentary that has been
reviewed, modifications made, and now
approved by the BoD. It was submitted
to over 3000 people actually. I see
no voting requirement here. I look at
the process as going above and beyond
this requirement by simplifying some
of the maneuvers as a result of the
survey. </strong></div>
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<div class="ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default">All
current sequences can be found at the
NSRCA website. The NSRCA will modify the
sequences for classes 401, 402 and 403,
Indoor R/C Aerobatics Sportsman and
Indoor R/C Aerobatics Intermediate at
least every four years and the sequence
for class 404 will be modified at least
Academy of Model Aeronautics Competition
Regulations | Radio Control Aerobatics
17 every two years, but sequences may be
updated more frequently as required.
Sequences will be published no later
than December for the following year. A
description of each maneuver for all
sequences can be found on the NSRCA
website at: <a
href="http://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences</a>.<br>
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<div><strong>This appears to align exactly
with the process we have now completed.
In fact we will now be a month ahead of
schedule if we get everything posted by
the end of the week. </strong></div>
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<div><strong>What am I missing?</strong></div>
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On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Jon Lowe <<a
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<p>No! It is an NSRCA responsibility. It
specifically says the NSRCA BOD will
submit it to the membership for a vote..
Paragraph 15 of the rule book.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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12, 2017 Joe Walker <<span
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vote Jon, not an NSRCA vote, so
we have no control over that
process. Do we?</span></div>
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are the official patterns being
submitted as outlined for the
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5:24 PM, Jon Lowe <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Sorry
Joe, the AMA rule book
trump's the charter.
It REQUIRES the
membership to vote on
them. I've sent you
the appropriate
language from the AMA
rule book at least
twice. Until we vote,
they cannot be
implemented by the
board.</div>
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2017 Joe Walker <<span
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style="font-size: medium;">Good morning guys, the board reviewed
everything
last night and
will publish
the final
sequences this
week. Just so
we are all on
the same page,
the official
approval
process is
listed below
(Directly from
the charter)
and is on the
website for
everyone to
review if
you're so
inclined. </span></span></div>
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<span
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Power </span><span
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style="font-size: medium;">Points are being produced right now by Jim
Hiller (Thanks
Jim!)</span></div>
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Process </span></div>
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style="font-family: "TimesNewRomanPSMT"; font-size: 10pt;">Each
new sequence,
or change to a
sequence,
shall be
submitted to
the General
Membership and
public for
their review.
The BoD shall
approve
publication of
sequences on
the NSRCA
website for
membership/public
review and
comment. The
committee
shall update
their proposed
sequences/changes, if required, and submit it in final form to the BoD.
The BoD shall
designate the
Committee to
prepare any
inputs
necessary to
support the
sequence
changes.
Recommended
changes to the
maneuver
descriptions
and judging
criteria shall
be coordinated
with the NSRCA
Rules
Committee (if
necessary).
Any changes to
the Sequence
Development
Guide will be
made by the
Committee
Chairperson
and submitted
to the BoD for
approval. Once
a final set of
sequences is
approved by
the BoD it
shall be
published in
the K-Factor
and posted on
the NSRCA
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2017 1:40 PM,
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haven't voted
on the
sequences yet.
Until we do,
assuming they
pass, the
board can't
implement
them. Anything
now is
unofficial. At
this point,
AFAIK, the
sequences to
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Forbus via
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powerpoint for
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