[NSRCA-discussion] Power points

Fri Oct 13 10:05:56 AKDT 2017

What's wrong with the Shark's tooth?

On 10/13/2017 9:46 AM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
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> And haven't had a chance to fly it and provide constructive feedback. 
> I say we give everyone at least two weeks to evaluate it one more time.
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> By the way the Advanced sequence isn't exactly perfect either. 
> Something other than a Sharks tooth would have been  more appropriate 
> after the cobra roll.
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on 
> behalf of Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:44 PM
> *To:* vellum2 at bellsouth.net; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points
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> How else does the membership approve the sequences? Until today, we 
> haven't even seen Masters, much less approved it.
>
> Jon
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> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion 
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Joe,
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> I don't see anything about a 'vote' in the posted rule.  If a vote 
> were required there would need to be some requirements regarding 
> how...e mail?  Mail in ballot?...and a requirement concerning time 
> period and voter qualifications.  Seems clear that a vote by the 
> general membership was never intended.
>
> And, as Jon Carter wrote, we have never in recent history voted on 
> sequences.
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>
> Scott
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>     On October 12, 2017 at 6:24 PM J via NSRCA-discussion
>     <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
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>     This one?
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>     The Radio Control Aerobatics sequences will be developed
>     periodically by the National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics
>     (NSRCA) Sequence Committee which is appointed by the NSRCA Board
>     of Directors.
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>     *This is done*.
>
>     The NSRCA Board of Directors will supervise the sequence
>     development and will submit the proposed sequences to the
>     membership for approval before they approve all sequences for use
>     in RCA competition.
>
>     *This is done.  It’s the survey, with very specific commentary
>     that has been reviewed, modifications made, and now approved by
>     the BoD. It was submitted to over 3000 people actually.  I see no
>     voting requirement here. I look at the process as going above and
>     beyond this requirement by simplifying some of the maneuvers as a
>     result of the survey. *
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>     All current sequences can be found at the NSRCA website. The NSRCA
>     will modify the sequences for classes 401, 402 and 403, Indoor R/C
>     Aerobatics Sportsman and Indoor R/C Aerobatics Intermediate at
>     least every four years and the sequence for class 404 will be
>     modified at least Academy of Model Aeronautics Competition
>     Regulations | Radio Control Aerobatics 17 every two years, but
>     sequences may be updated more frequently as required. Sequences
>     will be published no later than December for the following year. A
>     description of each maneuver for all sequences can be found on the
>     NSRCA website at: http://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences.
>
>
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>     *This appears to align exactly with the process we have now
>     completed. In fact we will now be a month ahead of schedule if we
>     get everything posted by the end of the week. *
>     *
>     *
>     *What am I missing?*
>
>     Joe
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>     On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com
>     <mailto:jonlowe at aol.com>> wrote:
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>     No! It is an NSRCA responsibility. It specifically says the NSRCA
>     BOD will submit it to the membership for a vote.. Paragraph 15 of
>     the rule book.
>
>     Jon
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>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     On Thursday, October 12, 2017 Joe Walker <vellum2 at bellsouth.net
>     <mailto:vellum2 at bellsouth.net>> wrote:
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>     That's an AMA vote Jon, not an NSRCA vote, so we have no control
>     over that process.  Do we?
>
>     These are the official patterns being submitted as outlined for
>     the NSRCA responsibilities.
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>     On Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:24 PM, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com
>     <mailto:jonlowe at aol.com>> wrote:
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>     Sorry Joe, the AMA rule book trump's the charter. It REQUIRES the
>     membership to vote on them. I've sent you the appropriate language
>     from the AMA rule book at least twice. Until we vote, they cannot
>     be implemented by the board.
>     Jon
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>     On Thursday, October 12, 2017 Joe Walker <vellum2 at bellsouth.net
>     <mailto:vellum2 at bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>     Good morning guys, the board reviewed everything last night and
>     will publish the final sequences this week.  Just so we are all on
>     the same page, the official approval process is listed below
>     (Directly from the charter) and is on the website for everyone to
>     review if you're so inclined.
>
>     The Power Points are being produced right now by Jim Hiller
>     (Thanks Jim!)
>
>     Thanks!
>
>     Joe Walker
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>     0.
>         Approval Process
>         Each new sequence, or change to a sequence, shall be submitted
>         to the General Membership and public for their review. The BoD
>         shall approve publication of sequences on the NSRCA website
>         for membership/public review and comment. The committee shall
>         update their proposed sequences/changes, if required, and
>         submit it in final form to the BoD. The BoD shall designate
>         the Committee to prepare any inputs necessary to support the
>         sequence changes. Recommended changes to the maneuver
>         descriptions and judging criteria shall be coordinated with
>         the NSRCA Rules Committee (if necessary). Any changes to the
>         Sequence Development Guide will be made by the Committee
>         Chairperson and submitted to the BoD for approval. Once a
>         final set of sequences is approved by the BoD it shall be
>         published in the K-Factor and posted on the NSRCA website.
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>     On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:40 PM, Jon Lowe via
>     NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
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>     We haven't voted on the sequences yet. Until we do, assuming they
>     pass, the board can't implement them. Anything now is unofficial.
>     At this point, AFAIK, the sequences to vote on haven't been finalized.
>
>     Jon
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>     On Oct 10, 2017 9:01 AM, Randy Forbus via NSRCA-discussion
>     <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
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>         Are the powerpoint for the new sequences coming out soon.
>
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