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<p>What's wrong with the Shark's tooth?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2017 9:46 AM, Joe Lachowski
via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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<p>And haven't had a chance to fly it and provide constructive
feedback. I say we give everyone at least two weeks to
evaluate it one more time.</p>
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<p>By the way the Advanced sequence isn't exactly perfect
either. Something other than a Sharks tooth would have been
more appropriate after the cobra roll.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:44 PM<br>
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<p dir="ltr">How else does the membership approve the
sequences? Until today, we haven't even seen Masters, much
less approved it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jon</p>
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font-size: 14px;">On Thursday, October 12, 2017 S.
McNickle via NSRCA-discussion <<span style="color:
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<p style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:
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<p style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:
helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> I don't
see anything about a 'vote' in the posted rule. If a
vote were required there would need to be some
requirements regarding how...e mail? Mail in
ballot?...and a requirement concerning time period and
voter qualifications. Seems clear that a vote by the
general membership was never intended.</p>
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helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> And, as
Jon Carter wrote, we have never in recent history
voted on sequences.</p>
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<blockquote>On October 12, 2017 at 6:24 PM J via
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wrote:<br>
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This one?
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<div class="ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default">The Radio
Control Aerobatics sequences will be developed
periodically by the National Society of Radio
Control Aerobatics (NSRCA) Sequence Committee
which is appointed by the NSRCA Board of
Directors. </div>
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<div class="ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default"><strong>This
is done</strong>. </div>
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<div class="ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default">The NSRCA
Board of Directors will supervise the sequence
development and will submit the proposed
sequences to the membership for approval before
they approve all sequences for use in RCA
competition. </div>
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<div class="ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default"><strong>This
is done. It’s the survey, with very specific
commentary that has been reviewed,
modifications made, and now approved by the
BoD. It was submitted to over 3000 people
actually. I see no voting requirement here. I
look at the process as going above and beyond
this requirement by simplifying some of the
maneuvers as a result of the survey. </strong></div>
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<div class="ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default">All
current sequences can be found at the NSRCA
website. The NSRCA will modify the sequences for
classes 401, 402 and 403, Indoor R/C Aerobatics
Sportsman and Indoor R/C Aerobatics Intermediate
at least every four years and the sequence for
class 404 will be modified at least Academy of
Model Aeronautics Competition Regulations |
Radio Control Aerobatics 17 every two years, but
sequences may be updated more frequently as
required. Sequences will be published no later
than December for the following year. A
description of each maneuver for all sequences
can be found on the NSRCA website at: <a
href="http://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences</a>.<br>
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<div><strong>This appears to align exactly with the
process we have now completed. In fact we will
now be a month ahead of schedule if we get
everything posted by the end of the week. </strong></div>
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<div><strong>What am I missing?</strong></div>
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On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Jon Lowe <<a
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<p>No! It is an NSRCA responsibility. It
specifically says the NSRCA BOD will submit it
to the membership for a vote.. Paragraph 15 of
the rule book.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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14px;">On Thursday, October 12, 2017 Joe Walker
<<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 160);"><a
href="mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net"
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id="ox-cc5023417b-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507142421047_1292705">That's an AMA
vote Jon, not an NSRCA vote, so we have
no control over that process. Do we?</span></div>
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<div
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are the official patterns being submitted
as outlined for the NSRCA
responsibilities. </div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span
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October 12, 2017 5:24 PM, Jon Lowe
<<a
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<div dir="ltr">Sorry Joe, the
AMA rule book trump's the
charter. It REQUIRES the
membership to vote on them.
I've sent you the appropriate
language from the AMA rule
book at least twice. Until we
vote, they cannot be
implemented by the board.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Jon</div>
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153); font-size: 14px;">On
Thursday, October 12, 2017 Joe
Walker <<span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 160);"><a
href="mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vellum2@bellsouth.net</a></span>>
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style="font-size:
medium;">Good
morning guys, the
board reviewed
everything last
night and will
publish the final
sequences this
week. Just so we
are all on the
same page, the
official approval
process is listed
below (Directly
from the charter)
and is on the
website for
everyone to review
if you're so
inclined. </span></span></div>
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dir="ltr"> <span
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medium;">The Power </span><span
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style="font-size:
medium;">Points are
being produced right
now by Jim Hiller
(Thanks Jim!)</span></div>
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style="font-size:
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background-color:
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Process </span></div>
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style="font-family: "TimesNewRomanPSMT"; font-size: 10pt;">Each
new sequence,
or change to a
sequence,
shall be
submitted to
the General
Membership and
public for
their review.
The BoD shall
approve
publication of
sequences on
the NSRCA
website for
membership/public
review and
comment. The
committee
shall update
their proposed
sequences/changes, if required, and submit it in final form to the BoD.
The BoD shall
designate the
Committee to
prepare any
inputs
necessary to
support the
sequence
changes.
Recommended
changes to the
maneuver
descriptions
and judging
criteria shall
be coordinated
with the NSRCA
Rules
Committee (if
necessary).
Any changes to
the Sequence
Development
Guide will be
made by the
Committee
Chairperson
and submitted
to the BoD for
approval. Once
a final set of
sequences is
approved by
the BoD it
shall be
published in
the K-Factor
and posted on
the NSRCA
website. </span></div>
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style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">On Tuesday, October 10,
2017 1:40 PM,
Jon Lowe via
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haven't voted
on the
sequences yet.
Until we do,
assuming they
pass, the
board can't
implement
them. Anything
now is
unofficial. At
this point,
AFAIK, the
sequences to
vote on
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Oct 10, 2017
9:01 AM, Randy
Forbus via
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powerpoint for
the new
sequences
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