[NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
Peter Vogel
vogel.peter at gmail.com
Mon Nov 13 12:41:13 AKST 2017
The TOP 3 (regardless of junior or not) from each country counts.
Junior status applies only to the hunt for the junior trophy and the fact
that it allows a team to bring 4 instead of 3 if one is a junior.
Peter+
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> Does the Junior even qualify for team points? Maybe it's just the highest
> 3 including the Junior? It doesn't seem fair that some countries send a
> Junior and other countries don't and that 4th counts. Even if Joseph's
> score wasn't counted, we still would have won with AC's finish.
>
> *Scott A. McHarg*
> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
> Texas A&M University
> PPL - ASEL
> Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> In other words, if Joseph had elected to return this year as reigning
>> Junior WC rather than as part of the team, we could have sent another
>> Junior this year. Not sure if other Juniors entered the team trials at the
>> 2016 Nats, but assuming some did, one of them could have gone. Joseph's
>> placement this year would have not contributed toward the team championship
>> though.
>>
>> Jon
>> ------------------------------
>> On Monday, November 13, 2017 Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> Kevin,
>>
>> The point of that rule was to level the playing field, so to speak, so
>> that a Junior WC could still defend their title at the next WC. That was
>> never the case in the 3 prior WCs - the Junior category was added to the
>> WCs in 2011. Also, the Jury can't make a decision for everyone - they can
>> only impact the WC in progress. Now, if a rule change is needed, or a
>> clarification needs to be made going forward, based on the decision of the
>> Jury at a WC (based on a protest), then this type of issue needs to be
>> raised at the F3A Sub-committee level, and once there is agreement there
>> then it should be voted and accepted at the Bureau level. If a
>> clarification is made then it needs to be official and the wording needs to
>> be changed to address it.
>>
>> BTW, I'm all for increasing the exposure of young people to the sport at
>> the highest level.
>>
>> -Derek
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Kevin Young via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Derek, I know this may not be your intent but how I read the rule is
>>> basically as a two part statement with
>>>
>>>
>>> a) The reigning Junior World or Junior Continental Champion has the
>>> right (subject to the approval of his National Airsports Control) to
>>> participate in the next World or Continental Championships in that category
>>> regardless of whether he qualifies for the national team or not, and
>>> provided that he will still be a junior pilot when the next World or
>>> Continental Championships are held
>>>
>>>
>>> b) *If he is not a member of the national team*, his score will not be
>>> considered in the team results. (I think the underlined section can be read
>>> as the catch to the wording of the rule)
>>>
>>> The b portion allowing him to compete but not as an official Team
>>> participant like QuiQue did in Portugal.
>>>
>>> my other thought is why on earth you would want to limit a young persons
>>> exposure to competition in an industry and sport that is severely lacking
>>> youth!
>>>
>>> Kevin Young
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> * From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
>>> behalf of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2017 1:45 PM
>>> *To:* Don Ramsey; 'General pattern discussion'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
>>>
>>> That is not the intent of the rule and I should know because I wrote
>>> it. Here is the rule:
>>>
>>> d) The reigning Junior World or Junior Continental Champion has the
>>> right (subject to the approval of his National Airsports Control) to
>>> participate in the next World or Continental Championships in that category
>>> regardless of whether he qualifies for the national team or not, and
>>> provided that he will still be a junior pilot when the next World or
>>> Continental Championships are held. If he is not a member of the national
>>> team, his score will not be considered in the team results.
>>>
>>> The key words here are "and provided that he will still be a junior
>>> pilot when the next World or Continental Championships are held. Also, the
>>> first sentence states "participate in the next World or Continental
>>> Championships in that category" - the category is Junior.
>>>
>>> I don't know where the ambiguity comes in.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/13/17, 10:22 AM, "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Derek, according to the jury he can return as an individual if he is
>>> over 18 but would not be part of the team. So, could have 5 US entrants
>>> but only 4 team members.
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounc
>>> es at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On
>>> Behalf Of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion
>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 10:38 AM
>>> To: Jas S; NSRCA List; Bob Kane
>>> Cc: MarkAtwood
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
>>>
>>> Provided he will be 18 or younger in 2019. Will he?
>>>
>>> On 11/12/17, 5:50 PM, "NSRCA-discussion on behalf of Jas S via
>>> NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org on behalf
>>> of nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> He already gets a free pass to Italy for being reigning Jr.
>>> Champion (according to the rules)
>>>
>>> Jas iP
>>>
>>> > On Nov 12, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Bob Kane via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > And an amazing team effort I must say !!!!!! Looks like
>>> Joseph is ready for the 2019 team without the Junior status.
>>> >
>>> > Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com
>>> >
>>> > --------------------------------------------
>>> > On Sun, 11/12/17, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
>>> > To: "Bill Harden" <flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net>
>>> > Cc: "General pattern discussion" <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> > Date: Sunday, November 12, 2017, 3:19 PM
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Onda
>>> > CPLR
>>> > Shulman
>>> > Jesky
>>> > Bruckman
>>> > Lassi (Finland)
>>> > Kaiser
>>> > Szczur
>>> > Glenn
>>> > Trumpp
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Nov 12, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Bill Harden <
>>> flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> > Would someone please tell
>>> > me the final result? Thanks.
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