[NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
Scott McHarg
scmcharg at gmail.com
Mon Nov 13 12:39:31 AKST 2017
Does the Junior even qualify for team points? Maybe it's just the highest
3 including the Junior? It doesn't seem fair that some countries send a
Junior and other countries don't and that 4th counts. Even if Joseph's
score wasn't counted, we still would have won with AC's finish.
*Scott A. McHarg*
VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
Texas A&M University
PPL - ASEL
Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> In other words, if Joseph had elected to return this year as reigning
> Junior WC rather than as part of the team, we could have sent another
> Junior this year. Not sure if other Juniors entered the team trials at the
> 2016 Nats, but assuming some did, one of them could have gone. Joseph's
> placement this year would have not contributed toward the team championship
> though.
>
> Jon
> ------------------------------
> On Monday, November 13, 2017 Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> The point of that rule was to level the playing field, so to speak, so
> that a Junior WC could still defend their title at the next WC. That was
> never the case in the 3 prior WCs - the Junior category was added to the
> WCs in 2011. Also, the Jury can't make a decision for everyone - they can
> only impact the WC in progress. Now, if a rule change is needed, or a
> clarification needs to be made going forward, based on the decision of the
> Jury at a WC (based on a protest), then this type of issue needs to be
> raised at the F3A Sub-committee level, and once there is agreement there
> then it should be voted and accepted at the Bureau level. If a
> clarification is made then it needs to be official and the wording needs to
> be changed to address it.
>
> BTW, I'm all for increasing the exposure of young people to the sport at
> the highest level.
>
> -Derek
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Kevin Young via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> Derek, I know this may not be your intent but how I read the rule is
>> basically as a two part statement with
>>
>>
>> a) The reigning Junior World or Junior Continental Champion has the
>> right (subject to the approval of his National Airsports Control) to
>> participate in the next World or Continental Championships in that category
>> regardless of whether he qualifies for the national team or not, and
>> provided that he will still be a junior pilot when the next World or
>> Continental Championships are held
>>
>>
>> b) *If he is not a member of the national team*, his score will not be
>> considered in the team results. (I think the underlined section can be read
>> as the catch to the wording of the rule)
>>
>> The b portion allowing him to compete but not as an official Team
>> participant like QuiQue did in Portugal.
>>
>> my other thought is why on earth you would want to limit a young persons
>> exposure to competition in an industry and sport that is severely lacking
>> youth!
>>
>> Kevin Young
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> * From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
>> behalf of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2017 1:45 PM
>> *To:* Don Ramsey; 'General pattern discussion'
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
>>
>> That is not the intent of the rule and I should know because I wrote it.
>> Here is the rule:
>>
>> d) The reigning Junior World or Junior Continental Champion has the
>> right (subject to the approval of his National Airsports Control) to
>> participate in the next World or Continental Championships in that category
>> regardless of whether he qualifies for the national team or not, and
>> provided that he will still be a junior pilot when the next World or
>> Continental Championships are held. If he is not a member of the national
>> team, his score will not be considered in the team results.
>>
>> The key words here are "and provided that he will still be a junior pilot
>> when the next World or Continental Championships are held. Also, the first
>> sentence states "participate in the next World or Continental Championships
>> in that category" - the category is Junior.
>>
>> I don't know where the ambiguity comes in.
>>
>>
>> On 11/13/17, 10:22 AM, "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Derek, according to the jury he can return as an individual if he is
>> over 18 but would not be part of the team. So, could have 5 US entrants
>> but only 4 team members.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounc
>> es at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf
>> Of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 10:38 AM
>> To: Jas S; NSRCA List; Bob Kane
>> Cc: MarkAtwood
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
>>
>> Provided he will be 18 or younger in 2019. Will he?
>>
>> On 11/12/17, 5:50 PM, "NSRCA-discussion on behalf of Jas S via
>> NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org on behalf of
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> He already gets a free pass to Italy for being reigning Jr.
>> Champion (according to the rules)
>>
>> Jas iP
>>
>> > On Nov 12, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Bob Kane via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > And an amazing team effort I must say !!!!!! Looks like Joseph
>> is ready for the 2019 team without the Junior status.
>> >
>> > Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------
>> > On Sun, 11/12/17, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
>> > To: "Bill Harden" <flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net>
>> > Cc: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.
>> org>
>> > Date: Sunday, November 12, 2017, 3:19 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Onda
>> > CPLR
>> > Shulman
>> > Jesky
>> > Bruckman
>> > Lassi (Finland)
>> > Kaiser
>> > Szczur
>> > Glenn
>> > Trumpp
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Nov 12, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Bill Harden <
>> flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
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>> > Would someone please tell
>> > me the final result? Thanks.
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