[NSRCA-discussion] NATS Electronic Scoring

Sun Jul 30 09:41:32 AKDT 2017

First of all, I want everyone to know that I am a devout believer in the
Electronic Scoring system, to the extent that I have donated money to
purchase a system for D3 and also donated money to purchase a dedicated
laptop to be used with our D3 system.   I have seen it in use at all of our
D3 contests for the last 2 years and I believe that it results in superior
judging, a huge reduction in manpower needed to manually run scoresheets
back and forth, manually enter scores, and importantly, the capability of
having instant feedback as to individual contestant standings as the contest
progresses.  No question in my mind that Peter was the busiest person at the
NAT's, from well before the day started for most of us until end of day.
There is also no question in my mind that we should NOT expect a single
individual (Peter Vogel) to set up, operate, and monitor 3 separate scoring
systems at 3 widely separated sites like we had at Blytheville because the
end product will suffer.  There MUST be a dedicated individual at each site
to set up and monitor it's operation during the contest because issues are
likely to come up.  If that individual is also competing, I believe that he
or she should be excused from Judging for obvious reasons.  I can promise
you that there is a lot more than meets the eye in getting the system set up
and running and then at the end of the day, it all has to be done over again
to pack it all away, to  be repeated each day of the contest.  It's way to
much to expect any individual to do, and BTW, Peter was also trying to
compete in Intermediate Class at the same time.  Too much to expect, even
for Superman.  

The systems did not come with a laptop when originally purchased and in D3,
we believed that it would be pure folly to use a different laptop at every
contest so we purchased a dedicated laptop for our system.  I firmly believe
that every system should have a dedicated laptop to prevent issues like we
had with our site 3 system during the NAT's.  On day one at site 3, we were
not getting the auto printed individual score sheets because of the absence
of a required software program on the laptop.  That shouldn't happen if you
had dedicated laptops that were set up and checked out before the contest
start.  On day 3, another laptop problem occurred that significantly delayed
getting the system set up for the Advanced flyers at site 3.  However, we
were also short a judge for line A so flying at both lines couldn't begin
anyway.  The decision was made to start flying on line B using paper
scoring.  Even though Peter had the system up and running by  the time we
had all our judges for line A, since the judges had started on line B with
"paper scoresheets", the decision was made to use paper scoring for the rest
of the day for all Advanced flyers.  When you watched the judges scoring on
paper, it clearly showed the benefit of using the electronic system.  When
using the electronic scribe, the judges rarely take their eyes off the plane
while with paper scoring, the judges take their eyes off the plane at the
end of every maneuver to write down the score and read what the next
maneuver should be.  I know that some judges (Ron Van Putte) has a system
where he doesn't take his eyes off the plane and he just writes the score
down in a column on a blank sheep of paper and then he transcribes the
numbers onto the scoresheet at the end of the flight but none of the judges
that I observed were doing that.  I think that you could practice your snap
rolls in between maneuvers and half the judges wouldn't even notice., :).

My hat's off to Peter for the extraordinary effort and job that he did at
the Blytheville NAT's but in the future, we HAVE to get some assistance and
help for Peter. I also believe that we should have a small bulletin board or
clip board at each site that has a printout of the standings at the end of
each day, I shouldn't have to wait until I've returned home from the NAT's
to see who won.

Curt Oberg

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From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 9:21 PM
To: Jon Lowe; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Electronic Scoring

Since Masters and FAI are running across two sites and the judges are moving
each day instead of the pilots, and there is a scoring computer at each
site, the scores from site 1 need to be combined with the scores from site 2
to get the complete picture.

I've published the results to www.patternscoring.com but there's something
minor wrong in one of the published data files that's causing my code to
fail to display the menu of contests.

Masters results are here:
http://patternscoring.com/7ec5dcab-06e9-415a-aff7-e1afa1a85c59  I'll also
get PDFs to Derek.

I'm working on FAI and the others as we speak.  Please recognize that at
this point I've been up for 17 hours and I'm looking at having to get up
again in about 7 so please have some patience...

Peter+

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

According to Joe Walker, he doesn't have standings either. Something about
"synchronizing computers", that the electronic system requires. 

Jon

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On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca. <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
org> wrote:

Me either.

Ron

On Jul 26, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca. <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
org> wrote:

Nor for me...

Jon

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On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
wrote:

The links aren't working for me.

On 7/23/2017 9:19 AM, rixsweeney--- via NSRCA-discussi

on wrote:

Great, thanks

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From:  <mailto:vogel.peter at gmail.com> Peter Vogel
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Electronic Scoring

Yes it will be used and yes, we'll make sure the links are on the web

Get  <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> Outlook for iOS

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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Electronic Scoring

Is the Electronic scoring being used at the Nats this year? If so, will
there be a link to it from the NSRCA site?

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